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pollyplummer

Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: brave

My best friend from high school is in Tikrit right now, and she loves it, loves the middle east, enjoys defending the interests of America and has been over there for years. I have other friends in the military over there as well, and they are there because they are both smart and brave. I'm not surprised that recruiting numbers are up. Americans have bravery and liberty in their blood.

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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stuart Mill

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month

wannago wrote:

I haven't seen any ads that are misleading about military life.

I haven't seen the ads, but as described, they're BS. When we were laregely at peace I can see pushing the education, training and travel benefits, but now?

wannago wrote:

OK, so they use good-looking actors and talk about gaining skills and other facets of military life...do you expect them to say "you WILL go to war in Iraq?" If you really think the average teen in the U.S. has little to no clue about the war and the difficulty of the service then I don't think its their naivete you need to worry about.

Yes, I expect them to say that. This isn't 1975 - 2000 when it was actually a relatively safe job. You join, you face bullets. Why can't they admit this? As for the students, trust me, most STILL don't have a clue what's going on around them. Most adults don't actually have a clue to the real issues. The percentage of people that still believe all the lies Bush told - even after he's admitted they were bull - is amazing.

America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

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supernick

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:

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America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

I'm sure that many who drop-out return later in time.

The U.S. military does wonders for those who want some training and some experience. You can throw money through other government programs, but I think the U.S. military does a good job and provides opportunities for some who would otherwise be left behind. However, I do think there should be some other choices.

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Yes, but is this war really about liberty? It all sounds good and people are motivated when they think they have good intentions.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:

supernick wrote:

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America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

But that isn't the point of the thread.

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...enjoys defending the interests of America...

When is that phase going to start? Nothing about Iraq has to do with defending the interests of America. That's the point of this thread: why do people buy this load of bull?

supernick wrote:

Yes, but is this war really about liberty? It all sounds good and people are motivated when they think they have good intentions.

Not in any way, shape, or form.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: brave

pollyplummer wrote:

and other nationalties don't? Confused

wannago

Joined: 16 Apr 2004

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month

EFLtrainer wrote:

wannago wrote:

I haven't seen any ads that are misleading about military life.

I haven't seen the ads, but as described, they're BS. When we were laregely at peace I can see pushing the education, training and travel benefits, but now?

Those things aren't happening in the military now? All resources of the military are in Iraq? C'mon, you're letting your usual semi-rational self get emotional and out of control.

EFLtrainer wrote:

wannago wrote:

The problem is that you don't leave any room for people with ideas contrary to your own. You've made up your mind--fine, but does it occur to you that others have valid reasons for their own viewpoints? See, this is the typical liberal "open-minded" stance: See it my way or you're stupid. The fact remains that, while most Americans see that the reasons for going in were based on bad intelligence, we still have a mission to accomplish in Iraq. As bad as it is that we're in, it would be much worse to just pick up and leave. Let's accomplish this mission and get the *beep* out.

EFLtrainer wrote:

America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

Your hatred of Americans is obvious, but I think you and I both know that Americans are not stupid. Yes, different things motivate Americans than some other places and we're not the most well-liked people on the planet right now, but that doesn't equate stupidity. Fifty percent drop-out rate? I've never seen that. Can you show me something about it? My 15+ years as a high school teacher in the States tells me something different.

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wannago

Joined: 16 Apr 2004

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: brave

bucheon bum wrote:

pollyplummer wrote:

and other nationalties don't? Confused

Uhhh, I don't think this thread is about other nationalities. Why is it that when Americans tout what they think is a virtue of their own people, some think the statement automatically also says that other people don't think, feel, do the same things?

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month

wannago wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

wannago wrote:

I haven't seen any ads that are misleading about military life.

I haven't seen the ads, but as described, they're BS. When we were laregely at peace I can see pushing the education, training and travel benefits, but now?

Those things aren't happening in the military now? All resources of the military are in Iraq? C'mon, you're letting your usual semi-rational self get emotional and out of control.

You're a putz. How's that for out of control? Learn to follow the logic of a thread before insulting others. this thread is about the veracity of the ads based ohn what they are presenting as the military experience NOW. It is disengenious to stress those issues at this time.

[quote="EFLtrainer"]

wannago wrote:

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I siad notign from which you can draw such ridiculous conclusions.

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EFLtrainer wrote:

America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

Try a new refrain. This is idiotic, at best.

Ya-ta Boy

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject:

desultude wrote:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

And don't forget that kids graduated in late May/early June. Summer is prime recruiting season.

Hmmmm, Walmart, McDonalds, or Iraq? Think the signing bonus played a role?

I don't get the connection between my post and yours.

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:44 am Post subject:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

desultude wrote:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

And don't forget that kids graduated in late May/early June. Summer is prime recruiting season.

Hmmmm, Walmart, McDonalds, or Iraq? Think the signing bonus played a role?

I don't get the connection between my post and yours.

They graduate and then have to decide what to do- and the job options aren't great. That is the connection.

wannago

Joined: 16 Apr 2004

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month

EFLtrainer wrote:

wannago wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

wannago wrote:

I haven't seen any ads that are misleading about military life.

I haven't seen the ads, but as described, they're BS. When we were laregely at peace I can see pushing the education, training and travel benefits, but now?

Those things aren't happening in the military now? All resources of the military are in Iraq? C'mon, you're letting your usual semi-rational self get emotional and out of control.

If you posted with any logic then it would be followed....since illogical is your MO then I go with your ramblings as they are. No, its not disengenuous to stress those issues NOW because they are STILL TAKING PLACE.

EFLtrainer wrote:

wannago wrote:

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I siad notign from which you can draw such ridiculous conclusions.

Let's see...you lumped two large categories of people into "don't have a clue". Sounds like someone has some serious hate. Make an appointment.

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EFLtrainer wrote:

America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

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Try a new refrain. This is idiotic, at best.

I can't figure out whether its that you can't come up with a rational response or whether you're out of time and can't type more. I'm betting its the former. So, you're saying that if people don't agree with you they're stupid? Gee, I think that worked back in 6th grade...

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month

wannago wrote:

It's not illogical, it's an OPINION. We all already acknowledge they were true, so you are saying I am illogical for having an opinion. Idiotic.

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I siad notign from which you can draw such ridiculous conclusions.

Let's see...you lumped two large categories of people into "don't have a clue". Sounds like someone has some serious hate. Make an appointment.[/quote]

It's hateful?? You're an idiot.

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[quote="EFLtrainer"]America is a stupid nation. That is, probably the least educated of all the developed nations. 50% drop-out rate, remember?

Your hatred of Americans is obvious

Again, you're an idiot.

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Fifty percent drop-out rate? I've never seen that. Can you show me something about it?

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Recalculating the national rate to correct for this error, I now find that estimated national public school graduation rate in 1998 was 71 percent, slightly lower than the 74 percent originally reported. Since the overall thrust of my report was that public schools graduation rates are much lower than is commonly reported, this recalculation does not change the original report��s conclusion.

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The national graduation rate for the class of 1998 was 71%. For white students the rate was 78%, while it was 56% for African-American students and 54% for Latino students.

Georgia had the lowest overall graduation rate in the nation with 54% of students graduating, followed by Nevada, Florida, and Washington, D.C.
Iowa had the highest overall graduation rate with 93%, followed by North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.

Wisconsin had the lowest graduation rate among African-American students with 40%, followed by Minnesota, Georgia, and Tennessee. Georgia had the lowest graduation rate among Latino students with 32%, followed by Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Less than 50% of African-American students graduated in seven states and less than 50% of Latino students graduated in eight states for which data were available.
The highest rate of graduation among African-American students was 71% in West Virginia, followed by Massachusetts, Arkansas, and New Jersey. The highest rate of graduation among Latino students was 82% in Montana, followed by Louisiana, Maryland, and Hawaii.

Among the fifty largest school districts in the country, Cleveland City had the lowest overall graduation rate with 28%, followed by Memphis, Milwaukee, and Columbus.

Damn, it apparently has gone up a bit, it's only 29 percent now. Note that it is at, near or below for some populations and/or areas. It may be I was misremembering slightly, but 29% is still far too high.

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Try a new refrain. This is idiotic, at best.

Posts such as you made in response to me are pathetic and pointless.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: Motives...

pollyplummer wrote:

Sometimes it's about patriotism and bravery, you're right.

But sometimes it's about thrill-seeking and opportunities to travel. Sometimes it's about wanting to fire weapons, to wire C-4 and play with detcord, or to rope out of helicopters in the middle of the night. Sometimes it's about joining up because one doesn't know what else to do in life. Sometimes it's about the stability of a regular paycheck, insurance, and clothes on your back. Sometimes it's the promise of bonuses and the G.I. Bill, or the promise of a college education when you're through. Sometimes it's about increased opportunities to get laid because you're young dumb and full of cum, as my sr. drill instructor used to say.

I even knew some Marines who'd enlisted because they hoped they'd get the chance to kill with impunity...

So it's all of these things, PollyPlummer, and more.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Motives...

Gopher wrote:

pollyplummer wrote:

Sometimes it's about patriotism and bravery, you're right.

But sometimes it's about thrill-seeking and opportunities to travel. Sometimes it's about wanting to fire weapons, to wire C-4 and play with detcord, or to rope out of helicopters in the middle of the night. Sometimes it's about joining up because one doesn't know what else to do in life. Sometimes it's about the stability of a regular paycheck, insurance, and clothes on your back. Sometimes it's the promise of bonuses and the G.I. Bill, or the promise of a college education when you're through. Sometimes it's about increased opportunities to get laid because you're young dumb and full of *beep*, as my sr. drill instructor used to say.

I even knew some Marines who'd enlisted because they hoped they'd get the chance to kill with impunity...

So it's all of these things, PollyPlummer, and more.

True enough. I've had a Marine step-father, lived around the bases, have a good friend from HS in Navy intelligence (it being secretive, don't know if that is still te case) and simply run into any number of military folk along the way. One of the reasons I focus on policy, not the personnel.

And on the logical side, they can't criticize the C-i-C while a soldier, so what's the point of getting into it with a soldier? You have no way of knowing what they relly believe.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: Re: brave

wannago wrote:

bucheon bum wrote:

pollyplummer wrote:

and other nationalties don't? Confused

she seemed to be implying we are unique in that way. I wanted clarification, hence the question mark. Wink

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