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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
As to which law, don't know for sure, but the one that's been talked about is fully applicable, so far as I can tell.
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But Kuros just spent a paragrapgh explaining to you why it probably won't be applicable... 
I think you should look here:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=652437&highlight=#652437 |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Libby's just been indicted and has resigned. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| There were no trades. The money was transferred from Tyson's foods, through a crooked lawyer and a crooked commodities broker, to the Clintons. This was in payment for services Bill performed for Tyson's. |
Damn!! Bill was bangin' chickens????
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
| Libby's just been indicted and has resigned. |
I'm absolutely crushed  |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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The *beep* has hit the fan, so where's Bush?
Fleeing to the "presidential retreat" Camp David.
Anyone seen/heard Cheney lately? It's like he's disappeared off the face of the earth.
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The vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., was indicted Friday on charges of obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements in the CIA leak investigation, a politically charged case that casts a harsh light on President Bush's push to war.
Libby, 55, resigned and left the White House.
Bush was scheduled to make remarks about the leak investigation at 3:50 p.m. before departing the White House for Camp David.
Karl Rove, Bush's closest adviser, escaped indictment Friday but remained under investigation, his legal status casting a dark cloud over a White House already in trouble. The U.S. military death toll in Iraq exceeded 2,000 this week, and the president's approval ratings are at the lowest point since he took office in 2001.
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| "You can indicte a ham sandwich" |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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And I simply disagree. Is that OK, or must I accept someone else's opinion simply because they state it? I think it is applicable. In fact, I consider it treason. They have purposely damaged the ability of the CIA to protect the United Sates. Treason. However, I am not the prosecutor nor the judge nor the jury. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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umm....
Libby was indicted for obstruction of justice.....not leaking the name of Valerie Plame.
The real scandal here remains Wilson and Plame, who were eagerly angling for positions in a future Kerry white house (Wilson's website was paid for by the Kerry campaign)
Interesting how the headlines today fail to read,
"Grand Jury Fails to Indict Bush Officials for Leaking Name"
"Rove exonerated after 2-year Investigation."
Wonder why......
and funny how the leftist media keeps harping the "CIA LEAK" investigation when it is obvious that there WAS NO LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| The real scandal here remains Wilson and Plame, who were eagerly angling for positions in a future Kerry white house (Wilson's website was paid for by the Kerry campaign) |
Where is the scandal? And why would it be a scandal to try to get yourself a job in the next administration?
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Interesting how the headlines today fail to read,
"Grand Jury Fails to Indict Bush Officials for Leaking Name" |
Why would they? There is at least one answer why they do not, and several others that can be easily assumed. Would you like to try amore balanced post and tell us what anyof them are?
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"Rove exonerated after 2-year Investigation."
Wonder why...... |
That statement would be blatantly false, is why.
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| and funny how the leftist media keeps harping the "CIA LEAK" investigation when it is obvious that there WAS NO LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
When was that determined? Upon what do you base such a obviously false statement? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:41 am Post subject: |
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I'm afraid I don't see why this would be dificult to prosecute:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000421----000-.html
�� 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources
Release date: 2005-03-17
(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent
Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent��s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information
Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent��s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual��s classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(d) Imposition of consecutive sentences
A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: |
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I'm afraid I don't see why this would be dificult to prosecute:
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Well then.
challenge Fitzgerald, who after 2 years obviously feels otherwise.
Sadly, nepotism among CIA married agents fails to stoke the fires of your fury.
So sad., |
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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: in your head
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| heh take that apologists! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Kuros,
You really need to go back and look at what the Clintons did. Hillary's legal career was in the can before Bill attained statewide office in Arkansas. They couldn't scrape up the downpayment on a house. That's why their first bribe of $100,000 was paid to them disguised as profits from commodities trading. Many politicians take cash bribes. But the Clintons were so poor, that a large cash bribe would have been impossible for them to hide. The Wall Street Journal did an analysis of the paper trades and showed that no such trades could have occurred on those days. There were no trades. The money was transferred from Tyson's foods, through a crooked lawyer and a crooked commodities broker to the Clintons. This was in payment for services Bill performed for Tyson's.
Subsequently, Hillary's income jumped by a factor of 20+. She went from 15,000/year to 300,000 per year and became the biggest rainmaker at her new law firm. The companies that Bill assisted as Governor paid huge retainers for performing no work to the Rose law firm. Hillary got paid a huge salary for doing no work at the Rose law firm and Bill did the dirty deeds. Get it. Bribery. This was all layed out in the financial press of that era. Unfortunately, most people, including the reporters for NBC, ABC and CBS and the big papers cannot read or understand the financial press. And Ken Star had a lot of trouble getting witnesses to confess their roles in these illegal activities. That's what the Clinton affiar was originally about.
"Whitewater" was just one of hundreds of illegal deals. But, the money was well laundered. Everything was cleaned except Monica's dress and the minds of the dirty old men in Congress. |
Hrmmm, obviously I need to brush up on my history. Thanks for the lesson, tho. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
I'm afraid I don't see why this would be dificult to prosecute:
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Well then.
challenge Fitzgerald, who after 2 years obviously feels otherwise.
Sadly, nepotism among CIA married agents fails to stoke the fires of your fury.
So sad., |
When did I indicate he should be challenged? I simply observed that the law looks pretty straightforward as does the leaking of the info. Why he chose not to at this time could have little to do with the diffiulty of prosecuting that. Or perhaps he feels the dificulty would lie not in the law but with a jury... who knows?
As for the nepotism comment: is that supposed to make sense? And who does it refer to? Wilson, to my knowledge, is not a CIA agent... One of the stranger non sequiturs I've come across on these boards. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Some calls for the Pres to clean up his messy staff problem himself. Anyone want to run the odds of that happening?:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2005-10-30T173120Z_01_KRA572753_RTRUKOC_0_US-BUSH-LEAK.xml
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By Randall Mikkelsen
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush, whose top adviser Karl Rove remains in jeopardy in a CIA-leak probe, needs to shake up his White House staff if he hopes to revive a presidency reeling from multiple setbacks, Republican and Democratic lawmakers said on Sunday.
The lawmakers also urged Bush to investigate the office of Vice President Dick Cheney, whose chief of staff, Lewis Libby, resigned on Friday and was indicted on perjury and other charges in connection with the probe. Bush should take Cheney "to the woodshed" if necessary, one lawmaker said.
"You should always be looking for ... new blood, new energy, qualified staff, new people in administration. I'm not talking about wholesale changes, but you've got to reach out and bring in more advice and counsel," Sen. Trent Lott, a Mississippi Republican, said on "Fox News Sunday."
Lott said he expected Bush to address his problems. "I think he is a man that knows when there's a time to make moves and take actions. He will do that."
Rove remains under investigation in the probe into who leaked the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, whose diplomat husband is a prominent Iraq-war critic. The White House's credibility has been hurt by disclosures that both Rove and Libby leaked the woman's identity, despite earlier official denials attributed to the two men.
Although Rove has been the chief architect of Bush's political career, lawmakers questioned whether he has become an obstacle to Bush's recovery from problems including public opposition to the Iraq war, a botched response to Hurricane Katrina and the withdrawal of Harriet Miers' nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court under fire from the right and left.
"(Although) there's no existing evidence here that Karl Rove is about to be indicted ... the president has to make a determination as to whether or not he wants to be preoccupied with legal issues around the White House," Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut said on "Fox News Sunday."
CHENEY IN THE SPOTLIGHT
Lott raised similar concerns but said any decision should be left to Rove.
"If he has a problem, I think he's got to step up and ... acknowledge that and deal with it," Lott said. "If he's not going to be indicted ... then, you know, his view of what he does is very different," he said.
Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada, in an appearance on ABC's "This Week," previewed the potential for Rove to become a political lightning-rod for Bush. "The president, I guess, is still being driven by Karl Rove," Reid told ABC.
"He's still around. He should be let go," Reid said on CNN's Late Edition.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, asked about Rove's status on Friday, said he still works at the White House but declined to discuss any conversations between Bush and his senior staff.
Lawmakers also kept the spotlight on Cheney, who told Libby that Plame worked for the CIA's counterproliferation division, according to the indictment.
Plame's husband, former diplomat Joseph Wilson, contends that her identity was leaked to discredit his charges that the administration twisted intelligence on Iraqi weapons programs to justify war.
"The president ought to do his own internal investigation of the vice president's office, see what happened, set some standards and if need be take the vice president to the woodshed," New York Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham agreed that Bush should probe Cheney's office, but suggested Cheney's potential status as a witness for any trial of Libby could limit what he could say.
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