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Bulsajo

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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You don't have a clue as to what bucheon Bum was driving at, do you?
Ttaktaekari. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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he totally goes off a tangent that has nothing to do with my point and accusses ME of not paying attention.
you're right rapier, I ignored your diatribe. I read the OP plus the post right above mine and just skimmed some others. Sorry for paying more attention to the OP than your long, boring copy and pastes that were totally irrelevant to my remark and comments. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I didn't realise both the donkey, and its handler were staunch defenders of Allah.
Ok BB I'm sure you're utterly correct with whatever point you had to make about the slaying of 4 black refugees in Morrocco: it was unrelated to religion, accidental, whatever.
But as you can see, the title of the thread is "Muslims ethnically cleanse blacks from Africa" and I have already posted plenty of evidence for this. Bit hard for an internet jihadi like yourself to defend that, isn't it? islam and slavery have been virtually synonymous since the 7th century.
Ah well I'm sure you can overlook a minor fact such as that, and cling to the intellectual high ground somehow."But its their culture" or whatever. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: |
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How many Christian countries still practice slavery, and how many Christian organisations use biblical scripture to justify slavery?
Then, ask the same questions about muslim countries and muslim organisations. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Interesting, IS2003. But what does this have to do with the actual practice of slavery well into the 21st century? |
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in_seoul_2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: |
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You seem to have misread the question. It was in the present tense. I'll highlight the key word for you.
"How many Christian countries still practice slavery, and how many Christian organisations use biblical scripture to justify slavery?
Then, ask the same questions about muslim countries and muslim organisations."
Like all those who come close to apologising for the current appalling state of human rights in the Islamic world, you attempt to deflect accusations of Islamic brutality by harking back to the past injustices committed in the name of Christianity and by Christians. I am more concerned with the present day, and the ongoing violence, intolerance and oppression committed explicitly in the name of Islam.
Apologies for not answering your questions regarding paedophilia, but I was busy at the time. I will return to that thread soon. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: |
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1Peter 2 (NT)
18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
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Explain to me as I am interested where the above supports me making a man a slave, I would read it differently. As to those who in the past have commited crimes against humanity, well do they speak for all of those who follow the above passage, or does the above writer speak. |
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rapier
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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1Peter 2 (NT)
18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
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Explain to me as I am interested where the above supports me making a man a slave, |
Nowhere does the bible advocate slavery.
Nowhere does the bible support slavery.
But..nowhere does the bible condemn slavery.
It gives rules to regulate it.
Why is slavery permitted in the Bible?
Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world. It existed before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered. God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc. Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God. Instead, it is allowed. Where many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves. So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists. God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly.
The Bible acknowledged the slaves status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:23; Lev. 25:46),
The Bible restricted the masters power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).
The slave was a member of the masters household (Lev. 22:11)
The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14)
The slave was required and to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14)
The reality of slavery cannot be denied. Slaves were "slave labor played a minor economic role in the ancient Near East, for privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labor force."1
http://www.carm.org/questions/slavery.htm |
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