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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| It's obviously American propaganda. |
Oh, obviously. What gave it away for me was the fact that it was written by a Canadian, published in a Canadian newspaper, cited all Canadian sources, and dealt entirely with the problem as it pertains to the Canadian record industry.
It's obviously American propaganda.  |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| He was making a joke there- i hope. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| You might have a different perspective if you had written the music and expected royalties |
maybe. How do you know i am NOT in that EXACT situation? I am, in fact. As are several of my friends. We all download and love (and i personally have no real ethical dilemma with it)
Besides, there are quite a few rich artists who have no real large beef with downloaders. Small timers LOVE it cause it gives them exposure...
My one friend is gonna be famour in the next couple years STILL downloads all his music (unless he's at a show...but then they just give him cds) and he WANTS people to download his stuff too.
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| .and you might have a radically different perspective if you owned a recording company. |
sure would. That perspective would probably be through 3000$ Hugo Boss frames. The people who are MOST concerned are the ones who have the MOST to lose. Strangely enough, they are ALSO the ones who can afford to lose the most. Weird coincidence all that.
Guy, record companies are TOTALLY shamming artists; They get what...10% OR less of sales? It's their bloody music; you can't claim that artists are getting screwed by piracy when they are barely benefitting from the present system.
For me personally, iIF i EVER get a chance to see the music that i have downloaded, i snatch it up. THEN i buy some kinda shwag (tshirts or something) because THAT is a legitimate and powerful form of support.
Intellectual property rights are for people who wrote songs with the SOLE purpose of making money. When part of that purpose seeps away, what're they left with? a sh***y song.
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| My suspicion is that someone originally downloaded the film from somewhere and sold it to the priests. They showed the film months before it had arrived in Chilean theaters, and still before, I believe, it was released in U.S. theaters, this was in Feb. or March 2004. Where did it come from ultimately? Good question. Where do all of them come from? |
The majority (though not ALL of my music) that i have burned, was given by friends who either play on, wrote, or owned the cd. Also, if there is a CD (i should say, a record company) worth MY hard earned money, then i'd certainly invest.
re: Canada's place in it all? Not really surprised; the pot smoking draft dodging, rum runiing losers that we are.
i'm not overly surprised by this...and (luckily for me) i don't feel too bad about it too! |
Interesting how Canadians can be so precisely concerned with compliance on any NAFTA clause but have no problem justifying copyright infringement if it benefits them. |
I think it's far more interesting how you lump all Canadians together. Has Mr. khyber ever posted something about his concern with "compliance on any NAFTA cause" |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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So, Canada is #1 and the U.S. is #2...
I think that most people would advocate flushing both #1 and #2...
But, some - citing the maxim that "if it's brown... flush it; if it's yellow... it's mellow" - would favor flushing only #2 ...
Tough call...but I think I'm in favor of flushing all nationalistic crap - while retaining only the most noble patriotic ideals. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: yes |
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I find it hard to believe that we are worse than China.
Koreans sell it on the street. Chinese do too, I heard. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting how Canadians can be so precisely concerned with compliance on any NAFTA clause but have no problem justifying copyright infringement if it benefits them. |
Despite what you MAY think Gopher, i think downloading music just TRANSCEND borders....Canadians and Americans SHOULD BOTH be "stealing" music in large numbers....
and behefits...i mean REALLY...come OOONNNN!!!!
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| I think it's far more interesting how you lump all Canadians together. Has Mr. khyber ever posted something about his concern with "compliance on any NAFTA cause" |
Actually, i have but...as i said, I'm not trying to justify my stealing; nor the rest of Canada's stealing (how far behind IS the US anyways, i wonder....). There is no nationalism in this point: I think downloading music is a legitimate way of getting music. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
| I think downloading music is a legitimate way of getting music. |
As my friend Manner of Speaking is so fond of pointing out to me: you don't get to decide this. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| He was making a joke there- i hope. |
That ain't no man, man. She's a girl. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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say what? Pyongshin Sangja is female??  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm as sure as I can be, without having met her. I could be way off, but I'm pretty sure about this. |
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing is, it isn't illegal to down load music in Canada... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| bignate wrote: |
| The thing is, it isn't illegal to down load music in Canada... |
Come on. Are you saying Canadian law doesn't respect intellectual property and copyrights, or that it picks and chooses which intellectual property and copyrights it will respect? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Big Nate is sort of right, for the moment:
There was a loophole that involved an added tax onto the price of each piece of recordable media (an extra levy on every floppy, CD-r, CD-r/w, DVD-r, etc. and possibly memory cards as well; I'm not clear on the mechanics of it all but somehow the proceeds were supposed to be distributed to the recording industry as a whole and/or evenly distributed to all media copyright holders).
Because of this tax a judge ruled it was not illegal to download from PtoP sites; But an interesting twist was that it was illegal to upload or share to a PtP.
Regardless, this loophole is in the process of being closed.
If I've got any of this wrong Gord will certainly let us know. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
Big Nate is sort of right, for the moment:
There was a loophole that involved an added tax onto the price of each piece of recordable media (an extra levy on every floppy, CD-r, CD-r/w, DVD-r, etc. and possibly memory cards as well; I'm not clear on the mechanics of it all but somehow the proceeds were supposed to be distributed to the recording industry as a whole and/or evenly distributed to all media copyright holders).
Because of this tax a judge ruled it was not illegal to download from PtoP sites; But an interesting twist was that it was illegal to upload or share to a PtP.
Regardless, this loophole is in the process of being closed.
If I've got any of this wrong Gord will certainly let us know. |
The copyright law in Canada as it is currently written specifically allows for a person to use another person's machines to copy music from that person's collection. And that is exactly what a P2P is.
Originally the media stated that uploading remained illegal as the judge simply ruled on downloading (as that was the case before him, not uploading). A couple of months later, the copyright board followed through on the case and stated that as the law is now written, uploading and downloading music in Canada is lawful because the law specifically says it is.
Claude Majeau, secretary general of the Copyright Board stated in 2003 "As far as computer hard drives are concerned, we say that for the time being, it (uploading) is still legal." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bignate wrote: |
| The thing is, it isn't illegal to down load music in Canada... |
Come on. Are you saying Canadian law doesn't respect intellectual property and copyrights, or that it picks and chooses which intellectual property and copyrights it will respect? |
So it remains perfectly fine to download music in Canada and yet blame the U.S. for picking and choosing which NAFTA and WTO rulings it will respect. |
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