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Curious what u would do in my situation....
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mysteriousdeltarays



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I can tell this is a high priority problem. Perhaps you should consult EFL-law.com They know it all! They are so cool.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
The following is a rant to do wth vacations.

There are two foreign teachers at our school. I just happened to be in Korea and got hired. I've lots of time in Korea, experienced, etc. And managment hired a teacher from Canada. Flew her over, paid her ticket, from Newfoundland. She's never taught in Korea, is 45. I'm not an ageist but she has happened to have landed into a good hagwon. It's not often a haggie flies in a teacher who's 45. Usually they're after the young meat.

She arrived adamant that she have 12 days off for Christmas. She signed the contract with that stipulation. And when the management wobbled and looked iffy about it she let them know she's going, that's it. Well she went, and didn't come back.

And I'm thinking WTF is that?! I mean she was a character to get along with for four months. And it caused some stress because everyone else got four days off for Xmas. Not her 12.

When she didn't show up phonecalls found that her flight was delayed due to bad weather. Two days, then three. Then she said she'll be back. But after another 7 days. So it's all bogus about the bad weather for flying. She just wants more time off. And ends up with three weeks vacation.

Because she knows management can't fly out to Canada to get her. And she knows it'll cost them more to recruit someone else. She's a valuable commodity and knows it.

Meanwhile, back at the hagwon, everybody's dealing with it. Doing her classes as well.

The moral of this story is I can't stand the hag, and have to work with her. It's also 'behave'. Not 'be a good hagwon monkey' behave. But, rather, get off that superstar trip.

If you think you deserve better don't take what's not yours. That's a good one, too.


(1) So this woman signed a contract saying that she would get 12 days vacation (agreed by both parties) and then the hagwon would not give it to her. Correct?

(2) She negotiated a better contract and you are *beep* about the woman? Question Question Question Question Question Question Question



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1. Wrong. They "wobbled and looked iffy" That's different from not giving it to her. Anyway she got her 12 and more.

2. She didn't negotiate a better contract she unilaterally went ahead and got three weeks of vacation instead of the 12 days she was entitled to.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth.
I've found that dealing with Koreans is tricky - to say the least. "The truth is just not in them"
However, one thing Koreans DO UNDERSTAND is MONEY. If you tailor ALL your dealing with them on their level (money) you can get some satisfaction .
I, too, had a vacation planned for christmas (Thailand). All dates agreed, tickets bought, mind in vacation mode. Surprise, 1 week before I was to leave the school tried to cancel my vacation. ("The parents don't like their children not being taught by a foreign teacher " excuse).

After some very embarrassing conversations with the Director I agreed with him: "Yes, of course I'll cancel my vacation. No problem. The school can just pay the cancelation penalty on my air ticket - and re-imburse my unused accommodation and pre-paid bus tickets."

Funnily enough, no more was said. Classes were arranged. Everyone was smiling again. (And I got my measly 1 week vacation in Thaialand).
I think that it also helps to tell your Director that while Korean parents think it's OK to make their kids study 365 days a year, this isn't acceptable in Western countries. And that teaching 360 days a year without a break is not acceptable for Western workers. I had to tell my Boss "that's why Western teachers leave Korea after only working 2-4 months".
I think he got it. But it was 'THE MONEY' that swung the argument my way.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth.
I've found that dealing with Koreans is tricky - to say the least. "The truth is just not in them"
However, one thing Koreans DO UNDERSTAND is MONEY. If you tailor ALL your dealing with them on their level (money) you can get some satisfaction .
I, too, had a vacation planned for christmas (Thailand). All dates agreed, tickets bought, mind in vacation mode. Surprise, 1 week before I was to leave the school tried to cancel my vacation. ("The parents don't like their children not being taught by a foreign teacher " excuse).

After some very embarrassing conversations with the Director I agreed with him: "Yes, of course I'll cancel my vacation. No problem. The school can just pay the cancelation penalty on my air ticket - and re-imburse my unused accommodation and pre-paid bus tickets."

Funnily enough, no more was said. Classes were arranged. Everyone was smiling again. (And I got my measly 1 week vacation in Thaialand).
I think that it also helps to tell your Director that while Korean parents think it's OK to make their kids study 365 days a year, this isn't acceptable in Western countries. And that teaching 360 days a year without a break is not acceptable for Western workers. I had to tell my Boss "that's why Western teachers leave Korea after only working 2-4 months".
I think he got it. But it was 'THE MONEY' that swung the argument my way.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainbowtrout wrote:
... And that teaching 360 days a year without a break is not acceptable for Western workers. I had to tell my Boss "that's why Western teachers leave Korea after only working 2-4 months".
I think he got it. But it was 'THE MONEY' that swung the argument my way.


You teach Saturdays, Sundays and national holidays? That's the only way you would get to 360 days a year.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, you're right.
I don't teach on every day.
It's just when you teach for a full year and you haven't had any vacation then it FEELS LIKE you teach FOR 360 days.
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