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| Yes, like Clinton said, they were appalling! |
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| No, the Muslims overreacted! |
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| No, the Cartoons didn't go far enough in depicting Mohammad |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Seriously, this is hat I keep hearing but I just dont know anymore. I may be wrong but Afghanis are not arabs and yet the worst violence over this has been in Afghanistan. People keep saying Islam is a religion of peace. It sort of makes me laugh. Before I believe it I think its up to the Muslims to SHOW us how peaceful their religion is. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| uhmm, I wish I could see what the fuss was all about. Does anyone have a website or something where these cartoons can be seen? |
Jyllands-Posten Muhammad Cartoons
@ everyone,
You have to understand that any depiction of Muhammad (good or bad) is considered blasphemy in Islam. Wouldn't Christians freak out if Jesus was portrayed as a bomb toting terrorist by some Muslim nation's news agency?
FYI, dulouz uses the worst cartoon as his avatar.
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Mills wrote: |
| diablo3 wrote: |
| uhmm, I wish I could see what the fuss was all about. Does anyone have a website or something where these cartoons can be seen? |
Jyllands-Posten Muhammad Cartoons
@ everyone,
You have to understand that any depiction of Muhammad (good or bad) is considered blasphemy in Islam. Wouldn't Christians freak out if Jesus was portrayed as a bomb toting terrorist by some Muslim nation's news agency?
FYI, dulouz uses the worst cartoon as his avatar.
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blasphemuy? Theres no such crime in the west. Muslims should remember that. As far as "blasphemous" depictions of Jesus, there have been tons. Christians dont go ape-shit and behave like backwards lunatics from 1000 years ago. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Your Taboo, Not Mine
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1156609,00.html
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| Since Ayatullah Khomeini declared a death sentence against Salman Rushdie for how he depicted Muhammad in his book The Satanic Verses, Islamic radicals have been essentially threatening the free discussion of their religion and politics in the West. Rushdie escaped with his life. But Pim Fortuyn, a Dutch politician who stood up against Muslim immigrant hostility to equality for women and gays, was murdered on the street. Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker who offended strict Muslims, was killed thereafter. Several other Dutch politicians who have dared to criticize the intolerance of many Muslims live with police protection. |
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| You can respect a religion without honoring its taboos. I eat pork, and I'm not an anti-Semite. As a Catholic, I don't expect atheists to genuflect before an altar. If violating a taboo is necessary to illustrate a political point, then the call is an easy one. Freedom means learning to deal with being offended. |
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| In America, Christians have become accustomed to artists' offending their religious symbols. They can protest, and cut off public funding--but the right of the individual to say or depict offensive messages or symbols is not really in dispute. Blasphemy, moreover, is common in the Muslim world, and sanctioned by Arab governments. The Arab media run cartoons depicting Jews and the symbols of the Jewish faith with imagery indistinguishable from that used in the Third Reich. But I have yet to see Jews or Israelis threaten the lives of Muslims because of it. |
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| And there is, of course, the other blasphemy. It occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, when fanatics murdered thousands of innocents in the name of Islam. Surely, nothing could be more blasphemous. So where were the Muslim boycotts of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan after that horrifying event? Since 9/11 mosques have been bombed in Iraq by Islamic terrorists. Where was the rioting condemning attacks on the holiest of shrines? These double standards reveal something quite clear: this call for "sensitivity" is primarily a cover for intolerance of others and intimidation of free people. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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It is not correct that there are no blasphemy laws in the west. England at least (for now) has such ancient laws ....
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In England, the blasphemy law exists for two reasons:
1. Because blasphemy is intended to cause a breach of peace between the blasphemer and those outraged
2. Because Christianity was part of common law, blasphemy tended to undermine the law
The second reason has been null for a long time, whilst the first is the topic of this page. |
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/blasphemy.html
Much debate continues about repealing the laws.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3753408.stm
Since American law is founded on English law, it is possible that the same laws exist (or existed) in USA.
edit: unless since repealed, the US used blasphemy laws as recently as
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1957 Michigan man convicted of blasphemy for cursing at police
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
It is not correct that there are no blasphemy laws in the west. England at least (for now) has such ancient laws ....
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In England, the blasphemy law exists for two reasons:
1. Because blasphemy is intended to cause a breach of peace between the blasphemer and those outraged
2. Because Christianity was part of common law, blasphemy tended to undermine the law
The second reason has been null for a long time, whilst the first is the topic of this page. |
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/blasphemy.html
Much debate continues about repealing the laws.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3753408.stm
Since American law is founded on English law, it is possible that the same laws exist (or existed) in USA.
edit: unless since repealed, the US used blasphemy laws as recently as
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1957 Michigan man convicted of blasphemy for cursing at police
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Yeah, even if he law is on the books, like all stupid laws from long ago, doesnt mean anyone is actually going to be found guilty of it. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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And whats funniest is that their reaction shows that the cartoons were correct in how they depicted Islam.
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The only thing missing from her thesis is the need to put all concerned into an industrial incinerator. |
Oh dear, apologies for the above. I had one too many last night and wanted to vent.
However, more seriously and straightheaded now, there's one huge positive that's gonna come from all this, aside from us all having a good chuckle at Muslim nutters. That positive is this: everybody, and I mean everybody (except Bill Clinton, it would seem  ), has commented on how ridiculous the reaction was. Overnight, it's become socially acceptable to criticize Islam and its right wing idiot followers, even amongst the looney, ultra-PC, so-liberal-they're-practically-Nazis left. Islam is no longer a peace-loving faith and that's the end of it and anyone who holds a different view is a racist. The vast majority of Muslims clearly aren't absolute saints and the hardline extremists in the minority as Tony Blair has been saying since 9/11 (it's total crap, but liberals genuinely believe it). The whole world, even liberals like my mother who's been an apologist for Islam for many years, have come out and gone "Oh come on, World War III, bombing Danish embassies, withdrawing Middle Eastern diplomats from Denmark and other countries supposedly involved, taking human lives.....over some cartoons? Are you out of your MINDS??".
People are starting to get sick of Muslims. They're becoming a giant pain in the arse. I'm sick to death of all the religions. Friends and family back home email me and ask me things like "are there any Jews or Muslims in Seoul?" and my reply is "no, thank goodness. Plenty of Christians, sadly, but I suppose you can't have everything". That's not to say there aren't any nice Muslims or Jews in the world, because, TOTALLY F--KING OBVIOUSLY, there are and that is a trivial argument. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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That may be true, jinju, but if the law exists, it can be invoked, even by an individual with a private prosecution.
That the law might be considered stupid is not the point: that the law might be better repealed is not the point. For now, it is the law. |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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oh, why are adults fighting over cartoons?
cartoons are for kids you know.
makes us wonder what the real definition of a kid is. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| [. Overnight, it's become socially acceptable to criticize Islam and its right wing idiot followers, even amongst the looney, ultra-PC, so-liberal-they're-practically-Nazis left. Islam is no longer a peace-loving faith and that's the end of it and anyone who holds a different view is a racist. . |
Not sure how this follows. Are you saying people who say that Islam is a peace-loving faith are racists? Doesn't sound like something that racists would say, and anyway Islam is not a race and has nothing to do with racism. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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I guess the only solution to this is that the cartoonist put a piece where Jesus fu*ks Maria, publish it on most of the major western newpapers and then they will be over it. 
If they don't. Ok, they are overreacting. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Not sure how this follows.
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Are you saying people who say that Islam is a peace-loving faith are racists? Doesn't sound like something that racists would say,
2. and anyway Islam is not a race and has nothing to do with racism.
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(numbers are mine, all mine - I own numbers)
(just kidding)
1. Believe it or not, there are many people who say that any other belief about Islam other than Islam is a peace-loving faith; all Muslims are lovely people save for a tiny minority = racism.
2. Islam isn't a race? I agree. Doesn't deter them. Welcome to European liberalism. |
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panchotino
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Location: scotland for now.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: kick off |
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| great!the cartoons were published in an isreali paper today.as if hamas need more reasons. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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@ everyone,
You have to understand that any depiction of Muhammad (good or bad) is considered blasphemy in Islam. |
Only it's not. Worshipping of idols is what's not allowed, not images of the man. In recent years, clerics have increasingly been saying that "do not worship idols" means no pictures, but that's a pretty big jump which I would not agree with. |
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