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On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

Cthulu:

That's quite the impressive list ya got there. Your cut-and-paste skills are truly outstanding.

Yes, it is amazing. All over the world, Muslims all independently getting the idea to form terrorist groups, eventually numbering in the dozens.

But is this really what's happening? A closer examination of your list would seem to indicate otherwise.

By my count, at least SIX of those groups, or about 36% of the total, are fighting one specific conflict, Israel/Palestine. And several of them are aligned with one organization, Fatah. And this is NOT including the Lebanese groups as part of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

And at least two of the groups on your list, Salafist and Armed Islamic Group, are involved in the Algerian conflict. If you know anything about that conflict, you'll know it wasn't just a case of evil Muslims on the one side and peace-loving everybody else on the other. The whole thing started when a SECULAR-oriented military government cancelled elections in 1991 in order to prevent an expected fundamentalist victory, then declared martial law, while France and the USA looked the other way. This is not to endorse the atrocities commited by the fundamentalists in Algeria, just to say that it wasn't simply a case of some religious nuts one day out of the blue saying "hey, let's start killing people just for the fun of it!"

A couple of the groups are involved in conflicts in the Kashmir. I personally have no informed opinion about whose right and wrong in that one, just that I'm pretty sure that majority-Hindu India is mixed up in it as well.

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

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Cthulhu · Joined: 02 Feb 2003

Good show taking a shot at my list of terror groups--perhaps now you'll get around to addressing my post. For example:

a) acknowledging the fact that ordinary Jewish citizens around the world have never gone bonkers over the anti-Semetic cartoons regularly published in the Arab world, which was the point of my initial post in which you responded by going off on the Jewish Defence force tangent and not addressing the cartoons at all.

b) making note of the odd comparison you made between the actions of a minor Jewish terror group and the actions of ordinary Muslim citizens the world over regarding said overreaction. A single Jewish terror group's overreactions vs. significant elements across the Muslim world overreacting. The difference in scope is enormous.

c) noting the fact that nations such as Iran and Syria are taking advantage of this overreaction (there's that word again) and adding to the trouble. Again, has the Israeli government ever used an overreaction such as a cartoon in such a way? Please don't speak of Sharon--I'll address your point about him in a moment.

d) addressing the fact that the JDF was a bit player in terrorism and is out of the picture now, making it a bad example for any kind of equivalency. It's nice that you cite 6 groups (36% as you put it) are from one conflict when you only gave one Jewish group yourself. And that doesn't include most of the other groups. On top of that you admit these are Muslim terror groups without acknowledging that Islam has anything to do with it--curious. Anyway, you are still coming out way behind in the exchange. This part of the discussion is pointless since it is unrelated to the thread, but since you are so focused on terror groups it had to be addressed.

Once again I hope you can do better in your selectivity, i.e., rather than simply trying to pick apart bits and pieces of a list of terror groups you'll actually focus on the meat of the post, and the point of the thread for that matter.

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On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

http://www.zeek.net/music_0405.shtml

http://www.boycott-canada.com/

Cthulhu · Joined: 02 Feb 2003

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

I'm not sure I understand the meaning of that. Are you simply calling me an imp?

Cthulhu · Joined: 02 Feb 2003

Let's just say I'm going to refrain from further discussion on this one before the subject gets round to dancing Jewish polar bears overreacting to Salvador Dali's moustache. I think the intent in the original post has suffered enough.

edit: on first reading I was certain your last response on the subject was an attempt at sarcasm. On re-reading it I'm getting the distinct impression that you were serious Shocked

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

The Jyllands-Posten has announced they will publish the cartoons from the Iranian "holocaust" contest.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/060208/w020844.html

Pligganease · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...

Freedom of speech is one thing...

However, doing something that is considered sacreligious to an entire group of people is offensive.

Making fun of the deaths of millions of people of one religion is an entirely different thing altogether. It's evil.

Does anyone else think this?

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

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if the Iranian newspaper hadn't called their bluff on the free speech issue to begin with.
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Can you explain this further. Are you advocating that "people should only say something/print something if no one complains".

Maybe they wanted to test the waters. I heard of a woman, who was mentally handicapped. She killed herself by running a hot bath and not testing the waters before jumping in.

Its normal to test a situation at times, to check the temperture of the water. We do it, because it may kill not doing it. So whats wrong with them doing it.

Bulsajo · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue