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Return Jones



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
If you think recruiters are so bad why don't you get of your own ass and look for the job yourself????


The reason is because I have to work in the meantime and I physically can't go around knocking on doors across town on my lunch break. I have a network of friends and former co-workers, but nothing they had to offer quite fit my needs this time around.

Personally, I would love to deal directly with the schools, but the job boards have been taken over by recruiters pushing put me into jobs which include Saturdays, split shifts, shared housing, and 1.9 salary. After many years in Korea, why would I accept that?

Here's a sample phone dialogue with 90% of the recruiters I've talked to recently:

Rec: Hello?

Me: Yes, Hi. My name is Return Jones. I'm calling about the ad you placed on XXX website. In particular, I am interested in the position in Gangnam.

Rec: Which one?

Me: The one in Gangnam.

Rec: Which one in Gangnam?

Me: Umm, well there was only one listed in your ad. It stated Gangnam, M-F, 10AM to 5PM, Single housing, 2.5 million.

Rec: Ohh, it's been filled.

Me: Really?! You just posted the ad today!

Rec: Yes. But we have a job north of Uijeongbu, which offers M-Saturday, shared housing, 9AM to 7:30Pm, 1.9 million. It's a very nice school. The director is very nice. Please send me your picture.

Me: Oh, no thank you. I was interested in the Gangnam job.

Rec: Yes. Please send me your picture.

Me: Do you have any other positions similar to the job in Gangnam?

Rec: Yes. Please send me your picture.

Me: Umm, OK, I will email you.....

Rec: Yes. Please send me your picture.

Me: Goodbye............

It's the dozens of conversations just like this that make people complain about recruiters.

Can't you understand? This is not rare. This is the norm.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
Recruiters routinely make promises which they can't or have no intention of keeping. For instance:

"If you have any problems with your school just call me, and I'll help you out."

That is true actually...I suppose we are both dealing in generalizations...

In my experience the 2 people I have known to be recruiters have been honest people and upfront about the pros and cons before the teacher has come...

But you are true...most do promise the moon, the stars and the sky..

I should retract my statement and say ...SOME recruiters do care about the teachers they are placing and work hard...

If you want send me a PM and I will give you the name of a recruiter is as honest as he can possibly be(and no it isn't me Smile )
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Return Jones,
Sorry to hear of your troubles but perhaps the position was filled and it is true the standard of jobs being offered has stagnated at best in the last little while but there are still jobs ith Mon-Fi, block shift, single housing nd good money..I found one easily enough and couldn't be happier..

The problem with these jobs is that once somebody is there they don't leave easily and these kind of jobs are not advertised very often as the person leaving will usually try to set a friend up with the job..

So the result is what you see is the crappier ones being advertised(as with all industries) so make some more connections and see what you can get....




I suppose i am just little peeved with people blaming recruiters for all of their troubles when in reality a lot of the time it is the natives speakers own ineptitude, incompeatnce and naievety that are the major problems...
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters, used car salesmen, scum of the earth, sort of a theme running through it.

Recruiters are fine as long as your expectations end once you get the job....the vast majority of recruiters simply refill their bloodbank from the next boatload of newbies who walk unsuspectedly into the slaughterhouse....often times led there by the Judas goat who has told them stories of how wonderful the place they are to work is going to be.

I have yet to meet anyone who has had a 'good' recruiter for two years running...what sounds good to a newbie often doesnt sound very good to someone with some experience under their belt!
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters have on goal. Put a warm body in a school and collect the dough. To do that they will do what they can: lie, cheat, intice you with a nice job and then try and get you to sign a shite job. They will lie to you about a school's problems because they want you to sign up. Perhaps not all of them are like this but the vast majority are.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Recruiters have on goal. Put a warm body in a school and collect the dough. To do that they will do what they can: lie, cheat, intice you with a nice job and then try and get you to sign a *beep* job. They will lie to you about a school's problems because they want you to sign up. Perhaps not all of them are like this but the vast majority are.


Ya. I lucked out, but that's also because I really looked into the school and checked out everything first. You can also tell a lot from the contract. I am sure not all recruiters are scum, but there are enough horror stories that you sure can't say some aren't atleast. I am pretty sure though most of the people in good jobs through a recruiter would sing a different tune if they had gotten screwed.
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Return Jones



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
To Return Jones,
Sorry to hear of your troubles but perhaps the position was filled and it is true the standard of jobs being offered has stagnated at best in the last little while but there are still jobs ith Mon-Fi, block shift, single housing nd good money..I found one easily enough and couldn't be happier..

The problem with these jobs is that once somebody is there they don't leave easily and these kind of jobs are not advertised very often as the person leaving will usually try to set a friend up with the job..

So the result is what you see is the crappier ones being advertised(as with all industries) so make some more connections and see what you can get....




I suppose i am just little peeved with people blaming recruiters for all of their troubles when in reality a lot of the time it is the natives speakers own ineptitude, incompeatnce and naievety that are the major problems...


Thanks for your reply. You make some valid points, but I think you missed what I was trying to say. The conversation I paraphrased could be applied to just about any recruiter I've talked to in the past while. Not one case in particular. There seem to be systematic bait and switch tactics used by all recruiters.

I have sent my resume and photo to many recruiters that promised me everything under the sun. If they bothered to do anything besides look at my picture, they would see that I have several years of "real world" experience back home as well as several years of ESL experience in Korea. Why then, do they cram my mailbox with lousy, useless positions I wouldn't even have taken during my first year? The answer is because they just want to make a quick buck anyway they can. Often, this is at the expense of a naive English teacher. I don't like that.

The job I'm coming off of now is really good, but after 2 years the inconvenient location is beginning to wear on me. I'm finding that having had a good job and lots of experience is working against me.

Perhaps I'm just frustrated, but I find all the agencies I talk with are really fly-by-night operations. Despite their promises, they don't want to help me at all. They just want someone who will work cheap and can be placed easily. From a business standpoint, I understand. But, at the same time, they advertise bogus positions then try to pull the wool over my eyes and push lousy jobs on me. They're wasting my time!
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that a good recruiter can be very useful to a newbie.
After you have experience in country however and know the ropes...why use a recruiter at all???


Use your skills and knowledge and the fact you are already living in Korea to find a job.

Also, about those good jobs that were mentionned in this thread, just because may be right. I know that one of my former employers never advertised online for jobs. He relied on two recruiting methods: contacts from his current teachers and select ads in universities back in Canada and the US. He offers excellent conditions, higher pay and some other benefits but wants something in return. He advertised online once and regretted it when he received an avalanche of applications from people who did not read the job ad beyond the hours and the pay (i.e. they did not read the qualifications required).
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dbee



Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, I'd be tempted to think that it's just an extension of the Korean way of doing business.

Someone finds something that makes money and then every man and his dog jumps on the bandwagon. I've been screwed over by every contract I have signed in Korea through a recruiter. I deal only with the school themselves now. But I don't think that is an option that's available to every newbie out there.

I guess it cuts both ways too though, there are some awesomely stupid teachers out there. I've always said that there should be some standards out there for people to abide by. But then there isn't - so I guess it's up to every individual to decide what they think is fair and isn't.
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k_shearman



Joined: 07 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:40 am    Post subject: Beat it 'just because' Reply with quote

just because wrote:

Recruiters on the whole don't lie, cheat.steal.etc...like you guys make out.


OMG! You must be one of those 'good recruiters' yourself, right? You've got to be kidding if you think anyone's gonna buy that line of b.s. you just posted.

Get real people! All recruiters are basically worthless liars who woke up one day and decided to utilize the 50 words of English they learned in highschool by screwing naive and unsuspecting foreigners.

NEVER pay someone to do something you can just as easily do yourself.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

k_shearman,

You do realise of course that there are quite a few recruitment agencies run by westerners in Canada and the US?

Does your "they are utilizing their 50 words of English" theory work with them too? Laughing Laughing
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k_shearman



Joined: 07 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No i was referring to Korean recruiters. Legit operations run in western countries are probably good for the newbies (my husband used one his first time out). But for the life of me I could never understand why someone who had been here for more than five minutes would use a recruiter for their second or third job here. Rolling Eyes
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chessmaster9000



Joined: 31 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: smuggling thai food? Reply with quote

As I said earlier, recruiters are Trolls. Recruiters are bonafied cracksmokers. Recruiters have fu**** so many newbies, that they have destroyed the foundation of trust. They are notorious for participating in illegal activities. There are no reasons whatsoever people should trust any recruiter. They are probably funneling money into North Korea for their Nucler Program, or they could be smuggling Thai food into Japan. Either way, they are scum at the base of a toilet. They are filthy little commie pikno liberals.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
They are filthy little commie pikno liberals.


Thank you mr McCarthy. Laughing Laughing
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some days they shed their skin. They don't all shed their skins on the same day.
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