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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In fairness the quote about Halle Berry is something a lot of people have said.


Yeah, when I read it, it actually struck me as the sort of thing an anti-racist activist would say about Hollywood's tretament of blacks.

The rest of the quotes are pretty despicable, and, from what I can tell through googling, genuine.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
"Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the president."

-- Ann Coulter, February 23, 2005

"Better people than camel-riding nomads have shown they respect force."

-- Ann Coulter, CPAC conference, 2002

"I don't know, how about ... NO ARABS?"

-- Ann Coulter's "Would Mohamed Atta object to armed pilots?" 5/30/02

"Ethnic profiling is the only reasonable security measure that has been thwarted in the war on terrorism."

-- Ann Coulter's "Mineta's Bataan Death March," 2/28/02

(talking about Halle Berry's Oscar for "Best Actress" in Monster's Ball) "Berry said her triumph was a victory 'for every nameless, faceless woman of color who now has a chance because this door tonight has been opened.' Yes, at long last, the 'glass ceiling' had been broken. Large-breasted, slightly cocoa women with idealized Caucasian features finally have a chance in Hollywood! They will, however, still be required to display their large *beep* for the camera and to discuss their large *beep* at some length with reporters."

-- Ann Coulter's "I like black people too, Julia!" 4/1/02

I think all of these are pretty racist quotes, but since all of you guys think she's not racist because she's only talking about arabs and blacks I guess you're right.


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Thus criticizing Islam isn't racism.


What aboout arabs and blacks? Is that racism?

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Well, if you acknowledge that someone is a racist and still listen to what they have to say, then you are an imbecile.


Does that mean that I have to dismiss everything that any person has ever said prior to the 1950's? I think that this is a pretty dumbasstic statement. The founding fathers of the U.S. owned slaves. Should I throw out the "Federalist Papers?" Imbecile...


Criticizing Arabs and Blacks isn't racist. Criticizing and asserting racial inferiority are totally different. I can say that a certain facet of popular Arab culture, such as, ohhh, I dunno, the treatment of women, it totally barbaric and not be a racist because their culture and their race are not connected. Culture properly defined is a shared perspective, one that is not dependant on race. Race suggests the fundamental genetic makeup of an individual, and is independent of whatever sorry-ass culture a person is unluckily born into.

None of this nonsense, not terrorism, cartoons, women's rights etc., NONE of it is in any way connected with race. It is totally connected to the arbitrary social construction that is culture.

Now, having read more of AC's comments, I feel confident in saying that she is a bigot, if not a full blown racist.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arabs can be of any race. So can Jews, Muslims, Christians and Americans.


So technically speaking, a camel jockey could be of any race. But last time I heard anything about camel jockeys, they were enslaved, starved, sexually molested Bangladeshi and Indian boys working the races in the United Arab Emirates.

http://www.antislavery.org/homepage/resources/cameljockeysgallery/gallery.htm

http://www.uaeprison.com/camelkids.htm

If I say that this child slavery is another wonderful aspect of Arab culture, like honor killings, enslaved Filipino maids, suicide bombs, lack of freedom, hijackings, beheadings......

am I being racist?

or observant?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a big difference between being culturally "observant" and Miss Coulter's crass trotting out of time-worn racial epithets in the guise of "humour" for some lame attempt to extend her 15 minutes of media notariety.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Coulter on Cartoons Reply with quote

I would consider myself liberal in my point of view on social issues, but I think Ann Coulter is right on in a lot of what she says. I definitely agree with most of what she says in this article. The fact is we��re scared to be open and talk frankly about the divide here between Western values, Muslim values and the conflicts that are the result. Also, we��re forgetting that there are extremists out there who are stirring this stuff up. These cartoons were published weeks ago. Were there just stacks of Danish flags lying around Muslim countries just waiting to be burned? More probable, as these cartoons were published weeks ago, it took a few weeks for the flag orders to be filled and arrive. It stinks of the masses being manipulated.

The fact is however, that the news outlets are going after and giving press to the rioters while mostly ignoring a whole group of Muslims who aren't storming the gates of some embassy from the West. It seems like the folks on the Right are quick to lambaste the media when the press isn't on their side, but ignore the clear bias to spin the negative angles in stories to get ratings. The fact is not all Muslims are rioting over this, and I think I can safely bet that most Muslims aren��t rioting over this.

I'm frequently un-PC, but like the cartoons themselves, it's hard to read someone's intention in print. I usually keep the un-PC comments to verbal communication. I get the point she was trying to make because I frequently run around, among my friends being one of the most un-PC people in the group. However, I think, her article would have more power had she kept the slurs to herself and just reserved the sarcasm for making her point.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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I don't know much about her, but criticizing Islam can never be racist cause Islam isn't a race. Perhaps in other columns she was racist, but in this one is was just correct.


False logic. If I say that the Catholic Church is bad because its led by a bunch of greasy wops fronted by a stupid kraut, then that is a racist attack on a religion.

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It still wouldn't be a racist attack on a religion, it would be a racist attack on the people. You wouldn't be calling the religion itself bad, just the people who lead it. Usually you're a beacon of logic, but this doesn't pass muster.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most enjoyable aspect of the Coulter saga is the willingness of conservatives to attack liberals for saying far less inflammatory things than she does without having their heads explode from cognitive dissonance.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
In fairness the quote about Halle Berry is something a lot of people have said.


But that quote is one of the few that is actually about logic, not race. Coulter is obviosuly racist. She happens to be an intelligent one, perversely attractive to some (though I am not i that number) and apparently well-connected. And she came to her ascendancy during one of the larger periods of collective brain farting in US history.

But, yes, the logic she was conveying works: Berry is mixed-race, not black. She has nearly perfectly symmetrical features, which is the key to perception of beauty among poeple of all races and all ages. Even babies respond to symmetry more positively than asymmetry.

Now, if Berry had cried out for her mixed-race brethren, it might have struck a deeper chord with me. Pretty much the only sub-group within most societies/cultures that is more downtrodden than the minority is the mixed-raced super minority.

Anyway, back to Coulter: she's a perfect example of the worst produced by the US. She's racist, elitist, etc.-ist.

'Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We seem to be divided into three groups. Those who disagee with every thing this woman said because she's racist at heart ( we have all met a few like that, especially here). Those who will listen to the good points, ignore the bad and live life better for it ( a minority) and those who accept the majority of what she says because its in line with their own thinking (a small percentage).

Before you shoot the messanger, consider which group do you truly find compatibility with. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This video sums up Ann Coulter pretty well.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
This video sums up Ann Coulter pretty well.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html


What a terminally ignorant *beep* insisting Canada sent troops to Vietnam. And people think she's intelligent? She can't even do her homework and get the misinformation and hyperbole she tries to spew on a nationally televised Canadian news show right!!!! Laughing

Too funny, but at the same time it's a very sad reflection on the quality of Republican/Fox media hacks that have surfaced with the Bush admin.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
We seem to be divided... Those who will listen to the good points, ignore the bad and live life better for it



If someone could briefly summarize the good points I should be listening to it would make deciding which group I belong in much easier.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:

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Summer Wine wrote:
We seem to be divided... Those who will listen to the good points, ignore the bad and live life better for it



If someone could briefly summarize the good points I should be listening to it would make deciding which group I belong in much easier.


The good points in the article:

Muslims are overreacting the the Danish cartoons, and western newspapers shouldn't allow themselves to be cowed by rioting mobs.

However, you can find those points made in about a thousand other places, by writers who somehow manage to get by with a rhetorical arsenal that doesn't include the phrase "camel jockeys". Intellectually speaking, the Coulter piece is the right-wing equivalent of the F*cking USA song.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:

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Summer Wine wrote:
We seem to be divided... Those who will listen to the good points, ignore the bad and live life better for it



If someone could briefly summarize the good points I should be listening to it would make deciding which group I belong in much easier.


The good points in the article:

Muslims are overreacting the the Danish cartoons, and western newspapers shouldn't allow themselves to be cowed by rioting mobs.

However, you can find those points made in about a thousand other places, by writers who somehow manage to get by with a rhetorical arsenal that doesn't include the phrase "camel jockeys". Intellectually speaking, the Coulter piece is the right-wing equivalent of the F*cking USA song.


"America, f@ck yeah!"
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"America, f@ck yeah!"

Just like the Rumsfeld thread- Coulter needs to get Stone & Parker on her side... Wink


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