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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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I also don't approve of "so-so."
How are you, I try to explain is a variation on standard greetings like Hello. I don't really want to know how you are, especially if you have some problems. "So-so," immediately makes me want to ask what is wrong, why aren't things perfectly fine?
I think Koreans have a similar thing going when they ask acquaintances they run into by chance on the street : Have you eaten?
Think this was covered in the Culture Shock! Korea to me I read on the plane my first trip over here - I still made the mistake of saying, "No, actually, I'm on my way to lunch." At which point they canceled whatever plans they had and guided me to a ramen place or (more often) their own favorite lunch spot. Once there, I noticed they didn't eat - they had just come back from lunch, I later found out - but usually paid the bill for me ...
The wife says this used to be a custom, but isn't much anymore. "We used to be poor, so we asked our friends if they had enough food. Sometimes even people we didn't know very well."
Anyway, the correct response to "How are you?" is "I'm fine," and if you are a close friend that I have some reason to be concerned about, you look them in the eye, maybe touch their hand or shoulder, say. "No, really, man, how have you been? Do you need anything?"
But if you are not a close friend, and you tell me things are not so good, it presumes and puts an obligation to care about you in ways I'd rather not because the relationship is not suited to it. This is what I try to teach my students. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Tiny_Tibbo
Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Location: In My Skin
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| I usually say "I'm alright" |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: Re: OP |
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| Cohiba wrote: |
I was referring to Vanislander's post. BTW I don't care about
your criticism of my post. My new policy on this board is to
be curt, acidic, skeptical and terse. I'm sick of the sweet, sickly,
pukey crap here. |
Here here. Stick it to the (girly) Man. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Do you know any natives that actually say "so-so" as 95% of my students do?
Bugs the hell out of me!
"I'm ok" ... "not bad" ... "fine" |
Learning Spanish in the States you are taught; good, bad, and so-so... I don't know where I was going with that.
When asked, one of the guys in my adult free-speaking class always says, "Just sh*ty!" |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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I usually just say "Good" or "Fine". I only stick the 'I'm' on there maybe half the time.
"How are you?"
"Good. You?"
"Pretty good."
And, "pretty good" is also one of my more commen responses to that question. And I felt like instituting corporal punishment more than once from all the "so-so's" I get. Now that I know other people have the same problem I think I'm going to make my classroom a No So-So zone. Yeah. Effective Monday. I make some banners and post signs.
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numazawa

Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
I also don't approve of "so-so."
How are you, I try to explain is a variation on standard greetings like Hello. I don't really want to know how you are, especially if you have some problems...
Anyway, the correct response to "How are you?" is "I'm fine" ... |
As I was saying, in an alternative universe it would be the foreigners who chide the Koreans for giving a true response to a pointed inquiry; whereupon the foreigner would offer the prescribed, formulaic response and extoll the virtue and function of such insincere formalities in the facilitation of orderly and predictable social interactions.
That would be in the alternative universe, you understand.  |
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Lizara

Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
I also don't approve of "so-so."
How are you, I try to explain is a variation on standard greetings like Hello. I don't really want to know how you are, especially if you have some problems. "So-so," immediately makes me want to ask what is wrong, why aren't things perfectly fine? |
I hate that. Why ask if you don't want to know? Why not just say hello? That's just me though.
and I don't really care if my kids say "so-so." They're kids, they think it's funny, and they can answer the question properly if they have to.
What did annoy me is when one of the textbooks we used... either SuperKids or World Kids, I can't remember... taught, "What's up?" "Not much." This is going to be completely outdated by the time any of my kids get to an English-speaking country where they might use it. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Kenny Kimchee wrote: |
| Tiny_Tibbo wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
Do you know any natives that actually say "so-so" as 95% of my students do?
Bugs the hell out of me!
"I'm ok" ... "not bad" ... "fine" |
Seriously, who the hell taught em "so-so"??  |
They do it in Japan, too. It was probably in some 1950's era textbook and got passed down through the generations. |
I blame the Japanese for half the Konglish around here. I mean hell, why not, they get blamed for everything else. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Lizara wrote: |
| What did annoy me is when one of the textbooks we used... either SuperKids or World Kids, I can't remember... taught, "What's up?" "Not much." This is going to be completely outdated by the time any of my kids get to an English-speaking country where they might use it. |
Agree wholeheartedly. Far too close to slang.
Slang is fun to play with but MUCH too transient and confusing to teach to esl learners, unless they are already advanced -but, kids? fahgetttabadit ...
A few years ago, I was on a kindie field trip and a new teacher spent a half an hour during the bus ride teaching hiphop slang to a kid I knew to be the wongjamnim's son. Along with the appropriate hand gestures, and facial expressions.
" 'Sup, dawg?"
" Word, dude. Word. "
Bear in mind, this is a 25-year-old Canuck talking to an 8-year Korean boy - the punch line is the wongangnim was sitting there watching the whole thing, likely thinking some superior form of education was taking place ...
I was laughing then, and I'm still laughing now. |
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