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| Who Would You Vote for If the Election Were Today...? |
| Hillary Clinton |
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12% |
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| Al Gore |
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36% |
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| Rudolph Guiliani |
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8% |
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| Condi Rice |
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12% |
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| John McCain |
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32% |
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| Total Votes : 25 |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: ... |
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| Right, and for the record, you were another self-descrbed "liberal moderate", right? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Moderate conservative.
Clinton was not that far away from such a perspective. Only hard core conservatives (and left wingers ) hated Clinton, He was more liberal than I was but , he was okay enough Besides he was serious about dealing with government budget deficits. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: |
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The New New Gore
Five years ago, Al Gore was the much-mocked pol who blew a gimme with his stiff demeanor and know-it-all style. Today? C��mon, admit it: You like him again.
By Ezra Klein
Issue Date: 04.08.06
The most important speech of Al Gore��s post–non-presidency was neither well-covered nor particularly dramatic. He delivered it against a plain blue curtain, and when he finished, the applause rippled but never roared. None in attendance, however, would have dared call it boring.
The address was the keynote for the We Media conference, held at the Associated Press headquarters in New York last October and attended by an audience that included both old media luminaries and new media innovators. In attendance were Tom Curley, president of the AP, Andrew Heyward, president of CBS News, and New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, all leading lights of a media establishment that, five years earlier, had deputized itself judge, jury, and executioner for Gore��s 2000 presidential campaign, spinning each day��s events to portray the stolid, capable vice president as a wild exaggerator, ideological chameleon, and total, unforgivable bore.
They must have been wondering what changed. Over the next 48 minutes, Gore laced into the state of the media, lamenting the ��systematic decay of the public forum,�� and echoing Walter Lippmann��s belief that the propaganda emanating from the press corps was rendering America��s ��dogma of democracy�� void. Journalism, Gore said, had grown ��dysfunctional,�� and now ��fails to inform the people.��
The speech wasn��t just an isolated blast aimed at wresting some headlines or settling some scores. Gore has long been quietly obsessed with excising the media from the politician-public relationship. That��s been the unifying aim of all his seemingly disconnected ventures since returning to the public eye: a determination to evade, and eventually end, the media��s stranglehold on political communication. Yet few seem to have noticed this campaign, with most observers too caught up in Gore��s old storylines to recognize his new efforts.
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=11299 |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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word. that speech rocked/rocks.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Mark Warner, former gov. of VA
Senator Chuck Hegel.
Senator Joe Biden.
Some other names for you.
Out of the list you gave, McCain, easy. As Kuros said, he won't get beyond the primary. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to hear more about Barack Obama.
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Giuliani tops poll of most popular US politicians
Mar 07 10:54 AM US/Eastern
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Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is the most popular politician in the United States, according to a national poll this week testing support for potential candidates in the 2008 presidential race.
The survey of some 1,900 voters by the Quinnipiac Polling Institute asked respondents to rate several nationally known politicians on a scale from 0 to 100, with higher numbers reflecting higher regard.
Giuliani topped the list, with an average score of 63.5 percent, followed by Democratic Senator Barack Obama, seen as one of his party's rising stars. Obama scored 59.9.
In third place was maverick veteran Republican US Senator John McCain at 59.7, followed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice with a score of 57.1.
Former US President Bill Clinton rounded out the top five with a score of 56.1 in the poll by the Hamden Connecticut-based political institute.
His wife, US Senator Hillary Clinton, seen as the Democrats' top bet to run for the White House in 2008, came in eighth place, with a score of 50.4. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Oh, with that list, I can definitively say "None of the Above".  |
 BINGO! Hmmmmm ... someone seems to have left out that option. Guess it's not supposed to be part of the "picture".
How btw does one "spoil their vote" when it's all computerized? That in itself ought constitute a breach of supposed constitutional "rights". Emphasis here of course on "supposed".
If forced to, i suppose i could hold my nose & "vote" for GORE. Who knows? He might actually do a decent all-around job. Following GW's "performance" it would be hard for anyone to do much worse.
However, that the Libertarian's Michael Badnarick was shut out from 2004's Presidential debates ( he was in fact arrested ) clearly does not reflect well on any supposed US "democracy".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badnarick
What of the GREEN PARTY Candidate?
Everybody knows the fight is fixed ...  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it really makes a difference which thieving jerkoff gets elected.
I predict the next American president will
1) Start a war (if it is a Dem prez the war will be on "humanitarian" grounds and if it is a Rep prez the war will be regarding the "war on terrorism")
2) Bomb many different countries
3) Continue the war on drugs
4) expand government power in every capacity possible.
5) wear a little American flag on her or his jacket just in case you forgot where she or he is from.
The only party that represents the Idea of America is the Libertarian Party. But media and the idiots will ensure that it continues to be marginalized. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it really makes a difference which thieving jerkoff gets elected.
The only party that represents the Idea of America is the Libertarian Party. But media and the idiots will ensure that it continues to be marginalized. |
Voter Distress Could Alter Upcoming Races
By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer
Wed Apr 12, 9:31 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Robert Hirsch wonders where all the statesmen have gone. Ed Laliberte wishes politicians would stop bickering and start fixing the nation's ills. Diane Heller says everybody in Washington is corrupt or out of touch.
"I don't see any great leaders on the horizon," says Heller, a Pleasant Valley, N.Y., real estate broker.
These voters are not alone. More and more, Americans are frustrated with politics as usual in Washington, where incompetence, arrogance, corruption and mindless partisanship seem the norm rather than the exception — a pox on both the Republican and Democratic parties.
Analysts say the public may be getting angry enough to give the U.S. political system a jolt, one way or another.
Voters could toss Republicans from power in Congress this fall, or turn the White House over to Democrats in 2008.
Maverick reform-minded Democrats and Republicans might shake up their parties.
Or perhaps voter unrest will fuel a credible third-party presidential campaign.
"There is certainly a lot of anti-incumbency out there and neither of these parties is doing swimmingly well," said independent pollster Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center.
His surveys suggest a throw-the-bums-out mentality is on the upswing, especially among independent voters. |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't anyone remember how much New Yorkers loathed Giuliani pre-9/11? And before you say "they're all liberals!" we're talking about a city that is 90% Democrat that elected the guy -- twice!
9/11 happened. The guy shows up at ground zero and helps remove some rubble and suddenly he's a hero. TIME names him Man of the Year and the Queen makes him an honorary knight. What exactly did this guy do to be worthy of such things? I'm still scratching my head. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Gopher, your list is stupid. No one on the list believes in liberty. If the US actually had free elections the Libertarian would win.
I would and will vote LIBERTARIAN. |
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red headed stranger
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Which one is the Libertarian candidate? |
No Libertarian candidate is electable as President of the U.S., at least not in the 2008 election. |
It doesn't mean you can't vote for them. I personally refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I will vote for the person that most closely matches my views.
Moreover, the "unelectable candidate" thing is what the two party system wants you to think. This self fulfilling prophecy has worked out well for the Ds and the Rs, but not for the people. |
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Porter_Goss
Joined: 26 Mar 2006
Location: The Wrong Side of Right
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Colin Powell |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Until a week ago I would have said McCain but his recent pandering the far right is rapidly turning me off. I voted for Giuliani not because I like but because I think he is the least beholden to special interests. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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