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I said I was interested, I never promised I'd sign!
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) The other two years were fine...no problem...IN FACT, they had even bought me a return ticket home after i resigned (even though ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT, they were not supposed to).

2)I HAD taken my full vacation days. Of course, I hear that THE RULE OF LAW! is that we HAVE TO GET 10 vacation days a year (though not necessarily consecutive). But side note.

3) I had been told by my Korean recruiter friend that if you are within 2 WEEKS of a full year, you are legally entitled to that money (but who wants to go to court).

Instead, I'm just going to go to the tax office. IF they haven't been paying my taxes, well then, either they're gonna have to give me a fair chunck of change OR they should pay my taxes so i can get my paperwork ready...
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
I applied for a job two or so years ago and was seriously considering it(Osan). After talking to the owner and staff I got some bad vibes from them....serious preassure to come.

I told them 'sorry but I have decided to take a another job'

First the owner started giving me crap for wasting her time...then she started telling me what a bad christian I was Laughing then she started pleading for me to come work at the school. Then her husband called and apologized for his wife and told me that I should really come work for them....that they would treat me like 'family'....well I have seen how Koreans treat family and wanted no part of that. I recieved approximately 10 phone calls over the next 2 weeks with her trying to guilt me into coming. I've never been so relieved to turn down a job Laughing
I just did the same today. I really want to go back to Korea, but I just had a strange feeling about this school, because I sent my resume on Monday and the owner called me Korea time at 3AM. He emailed a contrcat the next day and wanted an answer right away. he actually wanted someone for April 3rd and I told him I would be willing to come April 14th or 15th because I have some serious dental work I want to get done first. Then today he emails me and says I have to be there to start on April 10th or he will hire another applicant. The contract had no mention of pension, the tax withdrawal percentage , or sick days. Talk about rushy. I wouldn't even have time to get my E2 visa before I left. I prefer to go to Korea with my visa in hand as I have done before. I also got 2 other job ofers this week I had to turn down because the advertisement said the positions were in Seoul and then the guy offers me 2 positions: 1 in the Incheon area and another way outside of Seoul in South Chunchong Province...yikes!!!
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right to turn down this job. Never let them pressure you into rushing into a job. That's the oldest trick in the book.

However, this is Korea and everything is always "last minute", but still, I would have walked away from that job too.

There's plenty to choose from, don't let them push you around.

Good luck
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CaptainConjunction



Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: I said I was interested, I never promised I'd sign! Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Geez.

I have inquired about a couple of positions and decided right after getting all the details and seeing the contract that they didn't feel right for me.

Now I'm getting the "You told us you were coming, so we refused other teachers" line as if I have some sort of obligation.

I never said I'd take the job, just that I was interested in the position.

This may be a cultural problem, or just pushy guilt trippin' on their part, but TWO different unrelated Korean employers are pulling the same hurt responses, each not giving up on me.

I feel bad, but I also feel like I shouldn't feel bad.

From now on I will say "I absolutely don't know what I will do, I just want information." That way, misunderstandings won't arise.


Don't feel bad. Probably they are just stressing out big time because they promised the parents that a fantastic new super teacher will be starting on Monday. It really would be nice to see a hagwon boss that could actually imagine the ideas of:

1. Not making promises that you may not be able to keep.

2. Having a back up plan.

3. Planning ahead so they have a teacher ready well in advance.

Sadly, they'll now have to b*tch about you to the parents to save face. "The stupid foreigner screwed us over"

Sorry.. in a particularly sarcastic mood today. It will pass. Sad
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea's a weird place man. I applied for a public school job back in November, and was told they'd let me teach their winter program as a sort of evaluation period. No problem, it was good hours and great money. Camp ended at the end of January. I was told by the head teacher that she would recommend me for the job.

Now, at this point, the only thing I'd signed was a contract for the 2-week camp, nothing more. So, anyway, time marches on, and it's the middle of Ferbruary, and all the choice public jobs are disappearing one by one. I send out a few feelers, and get an interview at another school, and am offered a job at THAT school the very same day. So, I accept, going by the old "bird in the hand" philosophy.

I felt a bit guilty, because I still hadn't heard from the first school, and also felt like a chump for feeling guilty, because, hey, they hadn't technically even offered me the damn job yet.

Anyway, fast forward to March 2nd. Many of you know that March 2nd was the first day of school in a lot of places. I was just finishing lunch at my new job when I got a call from the first school, tellling me that they wanted to hire me. After informing them that I'd signed a contract at another school I got the standard guilt trip/we really need a teacher/how could you do this to us/etc.

I called BS. They could have had me sign a contract at any time in the prior 2 months and I'd have been locked in, but they waited until the 13th hour to get it done. I didn't feel a bit guilty about leaving them high and dry.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khyber -

Were your three years consecutive? If so, you are entitled to severence. After your first year, you are eligible for PRO-RATED severence if you quit in the middle of any of your subsequent years.

You left two days early? Then you are eligible for 363/365ths of one month's salary.

Don't take this one lying down.
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Vietman



Joined: 25 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Sue their asses - get a labor lawyer Reply with quote

"The Employer must give one day of paid leave per month (which can be accumulated, to be used at one time or used on separate occasions within a period of one year) and also an additional ten days of paid leave per year to a worker who has worked without an absence throughout a full year and eight days to a worker has 90% of above percentage of attendance during one year. This right is forfeited if the Employee does not use the paid leaves within one year from the date of accrual of the right to use the leave. The Employer must give one extra day for each additional year of work after the initial one year of employment." - EFL Law

http://www.efl-law.com/contracts.php

Looks like on the third year, you get an extra three days vacation time.
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