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rai
Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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fatpat wrote: |
[If I ever decide to come and teach this way again, it will be Japan for sure! The only reason I went against going there was because people on websites were saying it's too expensive
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Yeah, do it! Even the big eikaiwas (conversation "schools") like Nova and GEOS sound better than the Korean equivalent. Sure they are a bit corporate and soulless, but you always get paid on time and no one rips you off. And after a year or two you can trade up to a better job.
So, my girlfriend always says that Korean women are really conservative; is that true? Hey, she's Japanese so I don't know if I can trust her opinions on Koreans. Having said that, Korean women in Japan are all considered to be the toughest mothers, and really push their kids in school. |
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Khyron
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Aint Japan a gas..... |
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After having my head in a vice while management squeezed asking that I satisfy the dictates of the parents and work on my customer service (blood dripping out of my ears from the shrill screams of kids), and feeling the grunt, I've forgotten all about that now. The supervisor, a short Mary Poppins-like professional munchkin ala Mistress Heidi Dominatrix of the SS, ha! I've forgotten all that now because going to Japan, a totally futuristic and smooth alien country, was just so smoothly bizarre and refreshing.
Took the hydrofoil from Pusan which is a machine, isn't it. Rolls Royce jet engine sucking in water and hosing it out the back. A jet ski that holds 100 people ripping over the shark blue water at 80kph. I have a cold and couldn't smell the barf bagging going on as oversensitive Korean gals get mesmerized, then traumatized by the speeding by troughs and wavetops. So barf away, gals, I can't smell you. And then the tromping around Fukuoka glorying in not knowing what the frig's going on. Driving on the wrong side of their car on the wrong side of the road. A sign that says don't smoke while walking down the street. Would you see such an admonition in Korea? There's isn't one spit spot, ciggie butt, bit of wrapper or a damn thing on the spotless street.
And when I go to the postoffice and explain I need a pcbang to get an address off the computer to be able to send what's in my bag at their postoffice everyone, I mean the whole office (ten tellers and their manager(s)) is going 'HI, HI' (not saying hi but saying 'I'm on it, I'm on the case!' is apparently motivated, as a collective group/happy bee mind bent on customer service and harmony, to help me out finding an 'internet cafe'. And a member of the hive is selected, volunteers, to walk me a block to find the place. Hey, I'm not comparing or complaining by default about Korea. Heck no, I love Korea. Korea is relaxed and charming. But I noticed than when speaking to Japanese shopclerks they were right, exactly, poised like Chinese circus performers on the exact balance point of the ball of my request. They were phasar-eyed locked on as if stepping up to problems was seizing the day, the moment, and their thrill. Holy cow. What a place.
Then there are those Japanese women and their fearful symmetry. Admiring the mobile bouncing, various spheres inherent in their round spots as they walk. How dey do that? It's like they have a completely different notion of sexuality, the panthers, the tigresses, the she-lions. They aren't saving themselves for marriage and they seem to step right up to bat for oogling so bring it on, they say. Riding bicycles wearing highheeled boots. Just generally sexy like white on rice, like an old pair of jeans. Part of their damn natures, the vixens. Again, how dey do that? Could they please open a charm school in Korea?
Ah, Wendy's hamburgers open at 7;30am serving chilli cheese fries and caesar salad with coke. Heaven. Gotta be heaven. And the variety of motorcycles, if you're into motorcycles. Korea had a ban on foreign import bikes but in Japan it's the primordial souplace out of which Yamahas, Suzukis, Kawasakis spawned in all their natural variety. Parked like exotic one of a kinds as a matter of course. No wannabe nothins. 400 Yammies with a Triumph look/lay out. Chopper with suicide shift. Those amazing young men on their flying machines with a cool Japanese chick on the back wearing a pink helmet with a silver stripe, scarf flying in the wind, and...of course...high heeled boots. Damn.
In the morning happened across a temple. In the yard a 1,000 year old ginko tree very wide around, squat. The top branches swaying in the wind but the majority of the tree, the heavyweight of it not budging. Pitbull of trees. And at its base two stone anchors from 1280. Left behind when the Mongol's navy failed dashed by the Kamikaze, divine wind. Ships made in Korea as Mongol wanted to push across to Japan, but failed twice. The temple pillars are a woodworker's dream. Just an oil finish, smooth, oak it looks like. Beautiful grain.
Yup, Japan's a dream for a day, that wonderful visa run, that'll make a hagwon grunt forget his snorting problems. Big sky, big sea, a whole different history over there, thinking, worldview, way of doing things. Nope, didn't eat monkey brains. Chilli cheese fries. |
After all of this, you went back to Korea? What were you thinking!?!
I experienced the same thing as you, when I took the 'ol Beetle/Kobee to Fukuoka. Now I live in Japan. Figure out what happened...  |
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Khyron
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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So, my girlfriend always says that Korean women are really conservative; is that true? |
Horribly so. |
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butter808fly

Joined: 09 May 2004 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Sounded cool to get away for a day.. why your rush to come back here Mr. Kirk?
I agree that your writing is interesting... happy vacation  |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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rai wrote: |
I've always thought that Korean women were the most beautiful in Asia! |
Yes, oh yes! |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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yes
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Hahahahaha! |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Hahahahaha! |
Her father shot him after he asked her to marry him at a 'family' gathering at Lotteria.. now we know who shot JR though. |
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Don Gately

Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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This entire post could pretty much be summed up with, "The Grass is Always Greener..."
I was in Japan two days ago, it was 2% better than korea and 250% more expensive. That's not a good return on investment. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Don Gately wrote: |
I was in Japan two days ago, it was 2% better than korea and 250% more expensive. That's not a good return on investment. |
I agree.
Visually, it was very pleasing, but the practical difference seemed to be marginal. Perhaps it'd be more enjoyable there, but it's hard to believe it's THAT much better to justify the price difference.
Yet, even though I've been there four times and gripped about the expenses each time, something keeps drawing me back to Japan. I'm planning a summer trip now. This may sound silly, but it kind of reminds me of what I'd imagined England to be, though I'd never been to the British Isles.
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Only an hour away on the plane, Japan is as different from Korea as chalk is from cheese. Spotlessly clean, the people so polite, the subways perfumed, nobody shoving you off the sidewalk or cutting in line, no spitting, no puking... but who can afford to live (or save) there? |
Maybe that's it. It's got a Western sort of civilized behaviour, a politeness and public cleanliness that's close to a familiar ideal. But it is more like chalk than cheese, useful and odorless, less smelly but ultimately less tasty for some of us. |
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rai
Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
Don Gately wrote: |
I was in Japan two days ago, it was 2% better than korea and 250% more expensive. That's not a good return on investment. |
I agree.
Visually, it was very pleasing, but the practical difference seemed to be marginal. Perhaps it'd be more enjoyable there, but it's hard to believe it's THAT much better to justify the price difference.
Yet, even though I've been there four times and gripped about the expenses each time, something keeps drawing me back to Japan. I'm planning a summer trip now. This may sound silly, but it kind of reminds me of what I'd imagined England to be, though I'd never been to the British Isles.
coolsage wrote: |
Only an hour away on the plane, Japan is as different from Korea as chalk is from cheese. Spotlessly clean, the people so polite, the subways perfumed, nobody shoving you off the sidewalk or cutting in line, no spitting, no puking... but who can afford to live (or save) there? |
Maybe that's it. It's got a Western sort of civilized behaviour, a politeness and public cleanliness that's close to a familiar ideal. But it is more like chalk than cheese, useful and odorless, less smelly but ultimately less tasty for some of us. |
Again, it ain't that expensive! If you're flying into Osaka and spend all your time in British pubs, it's expensive, I'll grant you that. But after you've been here awhile you find cheaper alternatives, and discover some of what the locals do for fun. Hell, I live next to Shinsekai, the supposedly "dangerous" section of Osaka. Lotta cool, old-style Japanese coffee shops and restaurants. Plus some weird old-school stage shows.
Japan can be expensive, but mostly for new-comers, or people who want to eat all the same foods they ate back home (and who buy imported soap and stuff). If Japan was as expensive as everyone says, the poor service-industry people couldn't live here. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I did a visa run not so long ago, and actually had some money to spend. Last time I was thereI was kinda broke, so I crashed up at the hotel by the baseball stadium. The hotel workers started to kick the bums out who had been sitting in the sofas all day, and when they got to me they asked me what I was doing there. I told them i was waiting for my visa at the Korean immigration office, and they said go ahead and stretch out on the couch. They told me to relax, and get some sleep.
This last time I got to wander around a bit. Went to the shrine and the Canal shopping center. In the evening I popped back to the same area around the canal shopping center, because it looked like the karaoke section with all the hostessess and what have you. OK well it was. There were all these ladies dressed up in long dresses trying to entice someone to sing with them. They actually had signs up charging Y5000 for an hour of singing. I said to myself is that all you get. Only singing. I asked the girls if they could be touched and kissed. They said no way. I told em that in Korea you can find girls for that price and pretty much do whatever you want to them. They were quite startled. They still continued to parade their arses around with their signs anyway. I said good luck to them.
Their are alot of Philipino girls, chinese girls and Indonesian girls in that same area of Fukuhoka. I don't know if you would call it the roppongi of Fukuhoka or not. They are all dressed well and try to entice guys up to drink with them , sing with them and paye them. I got to talking with those girls because they spoke English. Was kinda fun, but I felt for them, because their jobs in my book were a little degrading. Hung out with them for while and hoped someone would paye for them. For a joke I offered a massage service to any lady that walked past. The looked back at me and screeched with laughter.
There were Korean hostess ladies as well. When they found out I was living in Korea they switched toto a daialogue in Korean. "Oppa, Oppa bali bali Oppa. Kapsida, kapsida"
I took a walk rhrough the red light district across the road from all the karaoke section as well. Unlike the Opalpal here in most Korean cities, you dont get to see the girls. You just paye abougt Y10000, and take pot luck. They take you back to a room I guess and do things to you
I thought to myself "thats gotta be one big rip off. What if the girls are all fat ugly bitches. Maybe the guys refuse if the girl they get is as ugky as a camels arse. The Korean O Pal pals are open for you to inspect the girls. Foreigeners here in korea get turned down a lot, but you can find girls who will service foreigeners. aome might even allow you to look down their pants to see the jewels so to speak.
I thought that not being completely open with customers at their red light districts was symptomatic of a bigger Jpanese problem. Is it in the Japanese character to exploit their own as well as foreigeners. Are they overly secretive about buisnrss dealings or what.
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I did a visa run not so long ago, and actually had some money to spend. Last time I was thereI was kinda broke, so I crashed up at the hotel by the baseball stadium. The hotel workers started to kick the bums out who had been sitting in the sofas all day, and when they got to me they asked me what I was doing there. I told them i was waiting for my visa at the Korean immigration office, and they said go ahead and stretch out on the couch. They told me to relax, and get some sleep.
This last time I got to wander around a bit. Went to the shrine and the Canal shopping center. In the evening I popped back to the same area around the canal shopping center, because it looked like the karaoke section with all the hostessess and what have you. OK well it was. There were all these ladies dressed up in long dresses trying to entice someone to sing with them. They actually had signs up charging Y5000 for an hour of singing. I said to myself is that all you get. Only singing. I asked the girls if they could be touched and kissed. They said no way. I told em that in Korea you can find girls for that price and pretty much do whatever you want to them. They were quite startled. They still continued to parade their arses around with their signs anyway. I said good luck to them.
Their are alot of Philipino girls, chinese girls and Indonesian girls in that same area of Fukuhoka. I don't know if you would call it the roppongi of Fukuhoka or not. They are all dressed well and try to entice guys up to drink with them , sing with them and paye them. I got to talking with those girls because they spoke English. Was kinda fun, but I felt for them, because their jobs in my book were a little degrading. Hung out with them for while and hoped someone would paye for them. For a joke I offered a massage service to any lady that walked past. The looked back at me and screeched with laughter.
There were Korean hostess ladies as well. When they found out I was living in Korea they switched toto a daialogue in Korean
I took a walk rhrough the red light district across the road from all the karaoke section as well. Unlike the Opalpal here in most Korean cities, you dont get to see the girls. You just paye abougt Y10000, and take pot luck. They take you back to a room I guess and do things to you
I thought to myself "thats gotta be one big rip off. What if the girls are all fat ugly bitches. Maybe the guys refuse if the girl they get is as ugky as a camels arse. The Korean O Pal pals are open for you to inspect the girls. Foreigeners here in korea get turned down a lot, but you can find girls who will service foreigeners. aome might even allow you to look down their pants to see the jewels so to speak.
I thought that not being completely open with customers at their red light districts was symptomatic of a bigger Jpanese problem. Is it in the Japanese character to exploit their own as well as foreigeners. Are they overly secretive about buisnrss dealings or what. |
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Medic
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Japan has it's good points and it's bad points. It's expensive yea, and if you wanna go furnish your pad you go to recycled shops to buy old furniture. The "Hard Off, and Book Off " places selling used furniture, clothes and books are all over the frigging country. Otherwise you gotta live in a barebones apartment.
How come you gotta look for cheap places to eat. Geeze. How long do you gotta spend lots a money and live there before you find these cheap places to eat. The food is shit too. Go look at the Japanese internet sights and you will see how much expats over in Japan love to come to Korea to eat good normal food at reasonable prices. There is one F---king restaurant chain I went to that had the almighty gaul to charge more money, because they were operating past midnight. I checked my reciept, because it seemed to the price was too high and that's what I was told. I almost threw the glass i had with me at them. I swore at them
loudly so the whole restaurant could hear me until I was allowed to paye the normal price
They write screeds of stuff on their internet sights to give directions to places to get your money's worth for food to eat. In Korea we would laugh our heads off if any one did that. Hell all you gotta do is walk down to the corner shiktang and you will get filled on W5000. Same food in Japan wood cost you W20,000 and you would puke on it. They know Korean food is good, so they try to copy it and advertise it as such. Many people go to these places, and what do you think they get. It's a joke.
Their number one meal is shabu shabu. Some kindly Japanes family took me to eat it at a restaurant when I was working there, but were apologetic, because they knew it didn't compare with korean meat. All it was was thin slices of beef cooked in boiling water. No marrination whatsoever.
Accomodation isn't free in Japan either. They paye you the equivalent of W2,500,000 a month if you are lucky and then deduct W700,000 for accomodation. You got to live on less than what we make in Korea in a country where the cost of living is twice as much. You can find cheap accomodation at places set up only for foregeners, but you gotta be in the know, and you gotta be quick. How long do you think it's gonna take for you to be in the know.
The one advantage they do have over us in Korea is the visa situation. I think you own the visa, and you can walk out of a job if you dont like it without getting a letter of release. You also don't get smartarse elementry school kids trying to practice their english on you or making snot nose remarks when you walk past them. Level of politeness exceeds that of Korea, and of couse it's cleaner.
Taxis are unaffordable. Costs you W10,000 to go the same distance as W2000 in Korea. Myongshills are out of your price range too. Minimum price for a guys haircut is W10,000, and those are at the crappy places. Subways cost the earth. Price is double that of Seoul's subways. Buses are a rippoff too. You can travel on a local bus in Korea anywhere for the one fare you paye when you get on. In Japan you take a ticket when you get on and paye the driver when you get off according to the distance you have travelled, and believe you me the prices almost triple iff you stay on untill the end of the route.
God---ed inner city buses treble the f---ing prices when there are national holidays. Christmas and New years and other national holidays are the times when the prices are sure to be tripled.
To get a bank account it takes a month, and you can't get a new bank book, unless you go back to the issueing branch. They are reall cracked in the f---ing head in that country when it comes to banking and financal transactions
Interesting comment about the *beep* houses over there too in previous posting. Korean ones are open so you can pick your girl. Interesting that in Japan you take what you get after you paye your money. Typical |
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rai
Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Medic wrote: |
Japan has it's good points and it's bad points. It's expensive yea, and if you wanna go furnish your pad you go to recycled shops to buy old furniture. The "Hard Off, and Book Off " places selling used furniture, clothes and books are all over the frigging country. Otherwise you gotta live in a barebones apartment.
How come you gotta look for cheap places to eat. Geeze. How long do you gotta spend lots a money and live there before you find these cheap places to eat. The food is *beep* too. Go look at the Japanese internet sights and you will see how much expats over in Japan love to come to Korea to eat good normal food at reasonable prices. There is one F---king restaurant chain I went to that had the almighty gaul to charge more money, because they were operating past midnight. I checked my reciept, because it seemed to the price was too high and that's what I was told. I almost threw the glass i had with me at them. I swore at them
loudly so the whole restaurant could hear me until I was allowed to paye the normal price
They write screeds of stuff on their internet sights to give directions to places to get your money's worth for food to eat. In Korea we would laugh our heads off if any one did that. Hell all you gotta do is walk down to the corner shiktang and you will get filled on W5000. Same food in Japan wood cost you W20,000 and you would puke on it. They know Korean food is good, so they try to copy it and advertise it as such. Many people go to these places, and what do you think they get. It's a joke.
Their number one meal is shabu shabu. Some kindly Japanes family took me to eat it at a restaurant when I was working there, but were apologetic, because they knew it didn't compare with korean meat. All it was was thin slices of beef cooked in boiling water. No marrination whatsoever.
Accomodation isn't free in Japan either. They paye you the equivalent of W2,500,000 a month if you are lucky and then deduct W700,000 for accomodation. You got to live on less than what we make in Korea in a country where the cost of living is twice as much. You can find cheap accomodation at places set up only for foregeners, but you gotta be in the know, and you gotta be quick. How long do you think it's gonna take for you to be in the know.
The one advantage they do have over us in Korea is the visa situation. I think you own the visa, and you can walk out of a job if you dont like it without getting a letter of release. You also don't get smartarse elementry school kids trying to practice their english on you or making snot nose remarks when you walk past them. Level of politeness exceeds that of Korea, and of couse it's cleaner.
Taxis are unaffordable. Costs you W10,000 to go the same distance as W2000 in Korea. Myongshills are out of your price range too. Minimum price for a guys haircut is W10,000, and those are at the crappy places. Subways cost the earth. Price is double that of Seoul's subways. Buses are a rippoff too. You can travel on a local bus in Korea anywhere for the one fare you paye when you get on. In Japan you take a ticket when you get on and paye the driver when you get off according to the distance you have travelled, and believe you me the prices almost triple iff you stay on untill the end of the route.
God---ed inner city buses treble the f---ing prices when there are national holidays. Christmas and New years and other national holidays are the times when the prices are sure to be tripled.
To get a bank account it takes a month, and you can't get a new bank book, unless you go back to the issueing branch. They are reall cracked in the f---ing head in that country when it comes to banking and financal transactions
Interesting comment about the *beep* houses over there too in previous posting. Korean ones are open so you can pick your girl. Interesting that in Japan you take what you get after you paye your money. Typical |
Number One: IF you're living in company housing (which is sometimes expensive, sometimes not) it's usually furnished.
Number Two: There are cheap ramen shops, gyudon (beef bowl), noodle shops, and other places everywhere. You can get a good meal for less than five bucks US.
Number Three: The trains charge the same amount over the holidays. I don't usually take buses, so I don't know about that.
Number Four: The NUMBER ONE MEAL IS SHABU SHABU??? It's a popular social meal, but I wouldn't say it's number one.
It sounds like you worked for one of the big conversation school, probably somewhere in the countryside; that's the only thing that could explain the overly simplistic generalizations in your post. You were NOT living in Osaka, Tokyo, Fukuoka, Kyoto, Nara, or any number of decent sized cities. |
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