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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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I am starting to believe they feel that if it is too difficult for themselves as the teacher, then it MUST be too hard for the students...
I tried to work with my no-show coteachers, but it is a lost cause...I just ignore their input entirely now...you don't come or assist you have no say in what I do in the class...
I too believe you have to challenge the students at the very least a bit above their level,...but the majority of my coteachers just want to go over and drill the same jive and junk everyday..."FINE THANK YOU AND YOU?"...yeah yeah I know your name is Noogoo Momomo....
...yes VanIsle'r...I am starting to think my hogwon days were much better too.....
Damn, all the lil' evil probs and annoyances are tsunami'in on me arse this week....  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
(1) no co-teacher, no set text to slave to
(2) ah, the benefits of hagwon teaching
(3) the last bastion of freedom for teachers
(with freedom comes responsibility AND irresponsibility, hence those who design their own curriculum and lesson plans, and those who goof off, don't prepare and play Scrabble half the class.)
thank you for reminding me why I turned down that 2.5 mill public school offer this year |
(numbers are mine)
1. Half my classes are with no co-teacher, the other half I lead. And if I want to deviate from the text to stress an important point, I do.
2. Nice benefits they are too, including working 30 classes back to back 
3. I wouldn't call them freedom...public schools have a lot more freedom.
Anyway I thought you said in a post a month or two ago that you were heading home...changed your mind? |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Yeah, I meant behind in the staffroom, not classroom.
I'd ask her for her opinion of the government listening tests. Tell her that you're trying to prepare the students for that. Ask her if she knows what the average score for that class was and if not, if she could find out. Then say that you're trying to direct your lessons at students who score an average of 70% or whatever on the government listening tests, and keep stressing how important it is that your listening exercises parallel the government tests - after all, isn't that one of the reasons they've hired native speakers in the first place?
I get the 'too difficult' thing from my middle school co-teachers sometimes, and to be honest sometimes they've been right. If they're not, I just suggest that they go over that material again in their lessons so that the students are at the level they should be. |
No, I think I always have to have a Korean teacher in the classroom with me. All my other co -teachers are fine it's just this one. At the beginning, she was great but she has just got worse and worse. The real bummer is that I have 3 classes with her a week. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
I don't think this class would have taken the government tests yet. This is their first semester of their first grade in high school.
This was the task: I read out a passage about Prince William. I did it at three different speeds and they had to fill in seven missing words. By the third reading even the dumbest student could have got the words or copied them from someone else. Maybe she thought it was difficult because I used word "nursery school" which they probably hadn't heard before |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ilovebdt wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Yeah, I meant behind in the staffroom, not classroom.
I'd ask her for her opinion of the government listening tests. Tell her that you're trying to prepare the students for that. Ask her if she knows what the average score for that class was and if not, if she could find out. Then say that you're trying to direct your lessons at students who score an average of 70% or whatever on the government listening tests, and keep stressing how important it is that your listening exercises parallel the government tests - after all, isn't that one of the reasons they've hired native speakers in the first place?
I get the 'too difficult' thing from my middle school co-teachers sometimes, and to be honest sometimes they've been right. If they're not, I just suggest that they go over that material again in their lessons so that the students are at the level they should be. |
No, I think I always have to have a Korean teacher in the classroom with me. All my other co -teachers are fine it's just this one. At the beginning, she was great but she has just got worse and worse. The real bummer is that I have 3 classes with her a week. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
I don't think this class would have taken the government tests yet. This is their first semester of their first grade in high school.
This was the task: I read out a passage about Prince William. I did it at three different speeds and they had to fill in seven missing words. By the third reading even the dumbest student could have got the words or copied them from someone else. Maybe she thought it was difficult because I used word "nursery school" which they probably hadn't heard before |
If you only have one bad one that's not too bad. I'd just use the listening tests as an example of what you should be teaching - your dictation excercise sounds really good. Perhaps you could also ask her how many grade 1 government listening tests she's invigilated and how she thinks they compare to your excercises. If she's also the class' regular English teacher perhaps one lesson you could also ask the class if they find their regular English lessons 'difficult'.  |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Yu Bum Suk
"If you only have one bad one that's not too bad. I'd just use the listening tests as an example of what you should be teaching - your dictation excercise sounds really good. Perhaps you could also ask her how many grade 1 government listening tests she's invigilated and how she thinks they compare to your excercises. If she's also the class' regular English teacher perhaps one lesson you could also ask the class if they find their regular English lessons 'difficult'. "
She made the same comment again about the listening. Is this lady deaf or blind? The kids were of a slightly lower level than the girls yesterday, but, they had no problems with it at all. Both groups got stuck on the same two words, but handled the exercise just fine.
Sorry, I must sound like a psycho, and to top it all the boys were all working away on their final exercise and I went to one group and one of the boys was missing. He was with her doing some catch up work in MY CLASSTIME. 
I need to address this as I am very pissed off.
Can anyone give some suggestions about how to approach the subject with her?
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd just ignore her - she obviously has her head up her arse so there's not much point in worrying about her opinion on how to teach. If she wants to do some catch-up work with one student I wouldn't worry about it too much - at least it keeps her busy doing something productive. Maybe you could ask some other teachers their opinion about the same listening excercise and see if you get any contradictions (especially from teachers older and more experienced than her). |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I'd just ignore her - she obviously has her head up her arse so there's not much point in worrying about her opinion on how to teach. If she wants to do some catch-up work with one student I wouldn't worry about it too much - at least it keeps her busy doing something productive. Maybe you could ask some other teachers their opinion about the same listening excercise and see if you get any contradictions (especially from teachers older and more experienced than her). |
I thought it was really rude of her to take that student though. Maybe that is the Britishness in me.
I will ask the other two Korean teachers who I have done that exercise with and see what they say.
Cheers
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UncleAlex
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: Stealing Students? |
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Don't feel so bad. I've had co-teachers take an entire class from right under
my nose at the last minute because they had something "more important" to do.
I have no grievance, for I like the extra hour off. Anyway, I comply willingly
because my students don't normally receive a grade or a credit in my conversation
course. In view of the students' report cards, my classes are less important.  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Stealing Students? |
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| UncleAlex wrote: |
Don't feel so bad. I've had co-teachers take an entire class from right under
my nose at the last minute because they had something "more important" to do.
I have no grievance, for I like the extra hour off. Anyway, I comply willingly
because my students don't normally receive a grade or a credit in my conversation
course. In view of the students' report cards, my classes are less important. |
I had a PE teacher give me his entire class when I only wanted to take five students out to work on a speech competition. |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| ilovebdt wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I'd just ignore her - she obviously has her head up her arse so there's not much point in worrying about her opinion on how to teach. If she wants to do some catch-up work with one student I wouldn't worry about it too much - at least it keeps her busy doing something productive. Maybe you could ask some other teachers their opinion about the same listening excercise and see if you get any contradictions (especially from teachers older and more experienced than her). |
I thought it was really rude of her to take that student though. Maybe that is the Britishness in me.
I will ask the other two Korean teachers who I have done that exercise with and see what they say.
Cheers. |
Well, I surveyed the other 3 teachers who I did that particular class with and they all thought that it wasn't difficult at all.
So, who knows 
Ilovebdt
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butter808fly
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: Northern California, USA
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
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I have a crazy ajumma teacher who thinks every lesson is a chance to compete. Totally blows over her crazy big head that the children are first... not the race against the young-er foreign girl.
crazy woman.
Love reading these rants..... Im proof, you will survive! - 4 months and counting... Ive just had to realize that these kids arent my kids, and although I always want to do my best, if the teacher is going to make a big issue of things let them! They are only hurting themselves. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I would honestly take a hawgwon gig over the conditions you guys are describing.
Having a co-teacher who does nothing but stress you out seems worse than having a crappy director at a hawgwon. |
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larkymark
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Mr. Pink"]I would honestly take a hawgwon gig over the conditions you guys are describing.
Having a co-teacher who does nothing but stress you out seems worse than having a crappy director at a hawgwon.[/quote]
Hey Mr. Pink, been reading this board a long time, you used to post a lot right?
I have a CRAPPY director I mean CRAPPY ! Gotta dispute you on this one !
Anyhow, welcome back. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| What happened to the OP??? |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he may have topped himself. He sounded in a right tizz. |
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