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EFLtrainer
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| jinju wrote: |
| We live in the present where the US is being overrun by illegals. Time for the US to get tough on them. |
The "US" was overrun by illegals about 400 years ago. |
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AbbeFaria
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Yo!Chingo"][quote] A lot of them hold jobs that you nor I would dare even touch. I wonder how things would be if there weren't immigrant workers.
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I don't know but I'm sure as hell willing to find out! BTW don't feed us that crap about the jobs Americans won't touch. That's a bunch of bull forced down our throats by them and they greedy bastards that want slave labor.
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| You guys are an intelligent bunch. Thanks for your input. |
You're welcome |
I agree. Americans will do a surprising number of things to make ends meet. However, making 5 dollars a day picking oranges for 12 hours, does not help them. If these jobs paid a livable wage, while they wouldn't be glamorous positions to be sure, if a guy could feed his family, he'd do it all day and overtime. American's won't do them because they can't afford to. They make more on government assistance.
The argument is then "the price of things will go up" etc. The price will be whatever the market will bare. If my oranges or lemons go up 50 cents a pound, I'll survive. If my hotel room goes up a few bucks because they're paying US citizens higher wages to clean the rooms, I'll also survive.
And I do not agree that we should just accept that illegals are here. We make it harder to get here, but then reward those that succeed. It's counter-intuitive. All we're doing is allowing the transporters to make more money and incentive to be more vicious in their trafficing habits.
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| We live in the present where the US is being overrun by illegals. Time for the US to get tough on them. |
The "US" was overrun by illegals about 400 years ago. |
Uhhhhh no INS senior. The natives didn't care about the settlers much..that is until they started coming in droves. I feel ashamed of what my ancestors did to the natives of America but that doesn't give anyone and everyone an open invitation 400 years later! |
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Nowhere Man
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JongnoGuru
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: |
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A picture says a thousand words does it?
I am not sure what to make of all this hoopla. My parents came to the country legally about 28 years ago. They paid their taxes and handled their business and are now citizens. What I don't know is how difficult is it to get a work visa or residency in 2006? And I'm applying that questions specifically to South American countries. If these visa rules were revised perhaps we wouldn't have people risking their lives and future citizenship by coming in illegally.
I think that we can't afford to deport all of the illegal immigrants. And if we grant temporary amnesty and register those who are illegal now, what is to stop this from becoming an issue in another 10 or 20 years?
But I think who should really be targeted are the businesses that use illegal immigrants. If there is a real penalty for breaking immigration and tax laws, perhaps these companies would be more responsible and toe the line more....Or perhaps they would just move down south of the border if they could.
Like I said before, I'm still taking all sides into this contentious issue. I'm a child of immigrants but it doesn't mean that I necessary agree with the position that illegal immigrants should get citizenship. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
Like I said before, I'm still taking all sides into this contentious issue. I'm a child of immigrants but it doesn't mean that I necessary agree with the position that illegal immigrants should get citizenship. |
Your parents were legal. They followed the law. Illegals are an INSULT to all those immigrants who did things legally. |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
Like I said before, I'm still taking all sides into this contentious issue. I'm a child of immigrants but it doesn't mean that I necessary agree with the position that illegal immigrants should get citizenship. |
Your parents were legal. They followed the law. Illegals are an INSULT to all those immigrants who did things legally. |
Bravo jinju! |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
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Like I said before, I'm still taking all sides into this contentious issue. I'm a child of immigrants but it doesn't mean that I necessary agree with the position that illegal immigrants should get citizenship. |
Your parents were legal. They followed the law. Illegals are an INSULT to all those immigrants who did things legally. |
True enough... but the question is what do you do with all of them? |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
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Like I said before, I'm still taking all sides into this contentious issue. I'm a child of immigrants but it doesn't mean that I necessary agree with the position that illegal immigrants should get citizenship. |
Your parents were legal. They followed the law. Illegals are an INSULT to all those immigrants who did things legally. |
True enough... but the question is what do you do with all of them? |
Do you just pack them up and ship them out at our expense? What would happen to our economy? Better yet, what would happen to their home country's economy. What about the immigrants that have been here for like 10 years. Should they be treated any differently than the one's that have been here only 1 year? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| Do you just pack them up and ship them out at our expense? What would happen to our economy? Better yet, what would happen to their home country's economy. What about the immigrants that have been here for like 10 years. Should they be treated any differently than the one's that have been here only 1 year? |
Why does America always have to worry about every other friggin' country. Screw their economy (whoever they might be). How is it fair that they just shoulder their burden off on us. When we intervene when it benefits us, we're evil. When we want to leave well enough alone we're evil.
It seems poorer countries have adopted the motto "Take our poor, our uneducated, our crimal elements. House them, give them free healthcare, freedom from paying federal tax and let them send the money they make back to us so it benefits our economy while you get the fall-out. Let them hide under this umbrella of bleeding-heart liberalism until it chokes the very life out of your society."
By this reasoning of "let them stay" it basically makes the committing of a crime okay after the fact. Should we apply the same logic to other crimes. "Well, it's wrong that you killed that guy, but it's over and done with, doing anything about it now would just be expensive and rough on both parties and it's really just easier to let you back out into the world. We'll punish the gun manufacturer because their the ones that made it possible, but you're a blameless victim, even though you pulled the trigger. You lived in a poor neighborhood, that makes all your crimes acceptable. You're just trying to better your situation."
Sound good?
There are no easy and quick ways out of this. Immigration has run unchecked for decades. This is the result. Unfortunately most people want to take the path of least resistance, and that doesn't help anyone but the criminals. We've allowed our society to become dependant on illegal immigration for certian things and now we need to force it back in the other direction. Prices will go up if we do this. But like other people said, allowing them to work for pennies on the dollar just keeps them slaves.
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