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| Yes, of course.... its going to go off like never before |
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| No, the English, Germans, Poles, Serbs and Dutch boys will all follow the "a time to make friends" official slogan |
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whitebeagle
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: UK
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In a bar with people that i worked with in summer 2001 in the USA, I asked several people of various nationalities (maybe 6 or 7) what they knew about england. Nearly all mentioned football hooliganism. I for one am not over the moon about having this as a national stereotype.
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| why "deeply depressing"? A little melodramatic, surely? Violence, death, destruction, declaring bankruptcy, torture are deeply depressing. |
As you say, violence is deeply depressing. Im simply making the connection that when someone condones violence it is also depressing. Hardly a tenuous connection. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Brits are innately, fairly aggressive. Irish too. Always looking for trouble, or making it where none exists.
Looking on a global scale, Europeans have a terrible reputation for recreational violence. Symptom of a first world society: idleness, alienation, boredom...and sensation.
People who want to fight over a game and devote their emotional lives to the cause of a soccer club..R Really sad IMHO |
The second paragraph is spot-on, but the first paragraph is rubbish. It's actually racist. The fact that someone can say Brits/Irish are innately something (ie. it's their Britishness/Irishness that's responsible for their behaviour) without causing offence (indeed probably without anyone even noticing) whilst the very same thing said about Africans, Jews, women or gay men would cause uproar......illustrates perfectly my views in the 'Are you racist?' thread.
Anyway, I voted that the violence will be no different than normal, but that was out of hope more than thought. Offending nations' teams will be disqualified from the competition and that would be really awful. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
Brits are innately, fairly aggressive. Irish too. Always looking for trouble, or making it where none exists.
Looking on a global scale, Europeans have a terrible reputation for recreational violence. Symptom of a first world society: idleness, alienation, boredom...and sensation.
People who want to fight over a game and devote their emotional lives to the cause of a soccer club..R Really sad IMHO |
The second paragraph is spot-on, but the first paragraph is rubbish. It's actually racist. The fact that someone can say Brits/Irish are innately something (ie. it's their Britishness/Irishness that's responsible for their behaviour) without causing offence (indeed probably without anyone even noticing) whilst the very same thing said about Africans, Jews, women or gay men would cause uproar......illustrates perfectly my views in the 'Are you racist?' thread.
Anyway, I voted that the violence will be no different than normal, but that was out of hope more than thought. Offending nations' teams will be disqualified from the competition and that would be really awful. |
R U from Britain? If so then you R unable to objectively know how other nationalities percieve you. If you're not from there, then you don't have enough exp maybe to gauge their character. Someone just mentioned that 6 out of 7 foreigners associated Brits with football hooliganism. What does that tell you?
how is it do you think the English went out and captured half the world for their empire? Why do you think Irish have a fighting reputation? It'd be ok if it was more than a nationalistic chip on the shoulder. I used to own a bar in Australia. Idle Irish dudes who drunk all day then decided to pick arguments out of nowhere formed a large part of the trouble I had to deal with. Aggressive English types were up there too. You simply didn't get the same sort of needless aggro from Germans, dutch, Americans, Japanese and so on.
I dislike stereotypes & racism too. But persistent reputations are founded on something more than thin air. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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put it this way, if you are driving a BMW or a BENZ and germany beat England, you had better park your car in your garage!
if the ENglish vs the germans there wil be riots!!
and the poor koreans if they for some miracle manage to get in the 16 and face germany! and beat them! they had better not hit the streets partying in germany and being Korean.. becuase there will be some dead koreans! |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| R U from Britain? If so then you R unable to objectively know how other nationalities percieve you. If you're not from there, then you don't have enough exp maybe to gauge their character. |
Then you've just refuted yourself, haven't you?
Either YOU are from Britain (which is an irrelevance anyway as Britain aren't in the World Cup) or you're not. Either way, according to you, one can either (a) not be able to objectively know how other nationalities perceive the English, or (b) not have enough experience to gauge their character maybe. So your arguments aren't worth a lick.
The British are as inherently aggressive as blacks are inherently stupider than whites, Jews are inherently mean, women inherently lack logical thought.
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| Someone just mentioned that 6 out of 7 foreigners associated Brits with football hooliganism. What does that tell you? |
That's not what was said actually. In any case, it tells me that England is infamous for football hooliganism. It does not suggest for one second that the English are inherently aggressive. And besides, the opinions of folks in bars, according to someone online, hardly constitutes proof of anything.
Basically, Junior, the issue is rather less straightforward than you appear to think. |
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