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Newbie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Soccer from an idiot's P.O.V. Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Newbie wrote:
I find soccer quite boring

try watching nine innings of "America's game"

or left hand turns for four hundred laps


Dude, you know I'm Canadian. Why such a stupid comment? (no offence)
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbee wrote:
It's true that some games of soccer can be especially boring. The England Paraguay game was definitely one of those games. Same thing can happen in just about any sport though. I think that people how have preconcieved notions about the game are going to highlight the 1-0 own goal game between those nations, as opposed to the six goal thriller between Germany and Costa Rica, which had some outstanding goals and action the night before.

The thing about the low scores and games ending in a tie probably seems a bit strange to North Americans. As indeed do basketball games that end 110-109 seem kinda strange to non-NA's. I don't really like basketball, I don't get baseball, but I think American football isn't too bad when you get into it.

The thing that most seperates soccer from the NA sports though in my opinion is the history of the game, and the history of the countries that the games are played between. Every England vs Germany game is a re-run of WII, every time England play Argentina, it's the Falklands all over again. Any of the South Americans countries are playing for not only their national pride, but also for their place on stage amongst the world's top countries.

The other great thing about soccer IMO is the fact that it just isn't as commercial as the large NA sports. The world cup in the US actually had to run commercials on the loudspeakers during the games. And when the womens soccer team won their World Cup, the first thing they did was a 'we won the world cup and now we're going to disneyland' chorus for the TV cameras. There were many other changes the American soccer association wanted to bring in to the game before that world cup. Most were rejected however for being contrary to the spirit of the game.

The countries at the world cup play for pride and honor. You'll never get that in an international baseball, basketball, American football game. The game hasn't been polished for your viewing pleasure to the same extent that most NA sports are. I'm not sure that's such a bad thing though.


Interesting you say that. There's an article in today's Herald that touches on how commercial soccer has become. How can you say it isn't commercial?



Also, your arguments seem to apply only to national soccer play and not league play. So soccer lets countries lick their old wounds. Big deal. That says nothing about soccer and everything about petty nationalism, grudge-bearing, and...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59919-2004Dec12.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/14/sportsline/main1501109.shtml?source=RSS&attr=HOME_1501109


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/2006-06-01-intolerance-cup_x.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
I see your avatar. I watched hockey a lot and half the team are unskilled losers who cant do anything but fight. Tells you all you need to know about hockey when a sport played in 5 countries cant even fill up 25 rosters with skileld players. But then again, you probably share the caveman views of that drunk racist Don Cherry and you think fighting IS what hockey is all about.


(precluding my response is the admission that you're the biggest troll on this board and I'm sure what you said was just an attempt to piss me off)

"Half the team" eh? You're not actually from Canada, are you? About HALF of the 30 teams in the NHL have a player as you described.

5 countires? Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Czech, (those are just the good countries) now, the countries that give it their darndest but just ain't good enough: Slovakia, Finland, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Belarus, Kazhakstan, Austria. Sure, nowhere near the following that soccer has, I won't argue that. But hey, our sport requires money. So what can you expect.

I'm so glad that you are now Korea's problem. Yeah, yeah sure. Please tell us about how this country has given you a great opportunity to explore your dream of being a photographer and how Canada could never do this (we all know how little Canada has to offer in amazingly beatiful nature and wilderness for a photog to take advantage of). Cuz, as we all know, your acceptance into the Korean photog world is all based on your skill, not on the fact that your peers are just amused by "the waygookin taking Korean pics". You know what you are? You're that retarded (my brother is retarded so I'm allowed to use it) kid from high school that every one gives a standing ovation to when they score a goal. They're not really impressed, they're just thinking "way to go big guy". It's the same with you and Korean photographers. They're not really impressed, they're just thinking "way to go waygookin".

Now that I've vented... .kudos on your pics. They are actually quite nice. But, I stand by my points.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
jinju wrote:
I see your avatar. I watched hockey a lot and half the team are unskilled losers who cant do anything but fight. Tells you all you need to know about hockey when a sport played in 5 countries cant even fill up 25 rosters with skileld players. But then again, you probably share the caveman views of that drunk racist Don Cherry and you think fighting IS what hockey is all about.


(precluding my response is the admission that you're the biggest troll on this board and I'm sure what you said was just an attempt to piss me off)

"Half the team" eh? You're not actually from Canada, are you? About HALF of the 30 teams in the NHL have a player as you described.

5 countires? Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Czech, (those are just the good countries) now, the countries that give it their darndest but just ain't good enough: Slovakia, Finland, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Belarus, Kazhakstan, Austria. Sure, nowhere near the following that soccer has, I won't argue that. But hey, our sport requires money. So what can you expect.

I'm so glad that you are now Korea's problem. Yeah, yeah sure. Please tell us about how this country has given you a great opportunity to explore your dream of being a photographer and how Canada could never do this (we all know how little Canada has to offer in amazingly beatiful nature and wilderness for a photog to take advantage of). Cuz, as we all know, your acceptance into the Korean photog world is all based on your skill, not on the fact that your peers are just amused by "the waygookin taking Korean pics". You know what you are? You're that retarded (my brother is retarded so I'm allowed to use it) kid from high school that every one gives a standing ovation to when they score a goal. They're not really impressed, they're just thinking "way to go big guy". It's the same with you and Korean photographers. They're not really impressed, they're just thinking "way to go waygookin".

Now that I've vented... .kudos on your pics. They are actually quite nice. But, I stand by my points.


I think the puck hit you on the head far too many times. I ws ofcourse using a bit of hyperbole. A sizeable part of the hockey squad atlast in the NHL are guys who are there just to fight. They have no skills at all. The sport has ONE real pro league, and is a fringe sport even in the good coutries like the czech republic or sweden or finland.

As far as my photography goes, you will have to do far better than that to get to me. I never said Korea gave me the chance to do anything, and I would shoot photos even in canada. But hey, way to go putting words in my mouth.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
way to go putting words in my mouth.


Someone putting words into your mouth is far preferable to the shit spewing out of it now.
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capebretoncanadian



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:



I ws ofcourse using a bit of hyperbole. A sizeable part of the hockey squad atlast in the NHL are guys who are there just to fight. They have no skills at all. The sport has ONE real pro league, and is a fringe sport even in the good coutries like the czech republic or sweden or finland.



No way on your first point. Even the guys who make it their mission to be an enforcer have to be damn good hockey players to stick. They would skate circles around me and I've been playing all my life.

Point two....fringe sport? I don't think so bud....these three countries have (percentage wise) some of highest participatory rates in the world for hockey. Five or six times that of the U.S. rate....and second third and fourth in participation rates behind well Canada where it is obviously very popular.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
I think the puck hit you on the head far too many times. I ws ofcourse using a bit of hyperbole. A sizeable part of the hockey squad atlast in the NHL are guys who are there just to fight. They have no skills at all. The sport has ONE real pro league, and is a fringe sport even in the good coutries like the czech republic or sweden or finland.

As far as my photography goes, you will have to do far better than that to get to me. I never said Korea gave me the chance to do anything, and I would shoot photos even in canada. But hey, way to go putting words in my mouth.


I'd say that Tie Domi is pretty much the only guy in the NHL that has no skill.

Russia and Europe have quite successful pro hockey leagues. Hell, where do you think the NHL'ers spent 2004? "Fringe" in Sweden? Jeebus!! Have you ever met a Swede? Tell a Swede you're from Canada and all they'll want to do is talk about hockey.... As for the Czech. Did you see the celebrations they had when they won the Gold in 1998, or when they beat Canada in the WHC in (methinks 2004, not sure of the year though) Now, had you said that hockey was a fringe sport in the US, I would start to think you knew the first thing about sports. But, we all seem to know that you're talking out of your nether-regions.

Not putting words anywhere. Back when you were a newbie to this board you told us that Korea was able to give you the opportunity in photography that Canada never could and that you were doing quite well making it in with Korean photogs. I do believe you posted this as a response to some idiot saying that Korea is completely xenophobic and unaccepting of foreigners.

Finally, I love the fact that you are allowed to use hyperbole when you speak about goons in hockey, but god forbid anyone use a bit of hyperbole here and make a negative generalization about Korea...

Now, REALLY finally (and a bit off topic). Do you actually like Hyun-young is hot or is that another trolling attempt?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poker player wrote:
I forced myself to watch the England Paraguay game and the highlight was a guy scoring on his own goal and that was all the scoring.


Call that criticism? Click here for some really scathing comments on England's performance - and this is (mostly) from England supporters!:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb606/F4441083?thread=3142739

(At least Beckham did some work in that game. I wonder if Sven was deliberately making England rely on defense and mid-field for that game?)

poker player wrote:
That tells you all you need to know about soccer.


It's like poker: it's boring if you've never played with real money riding on the game. I'm guessing you've never cared enough about your team winning?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the thing about the low scoring nature of soccer. Think about the free market, what happens when something gets scarce? That's right, the difficulty and rarity of soccer goals makes them a much more extatic and cathartic event when they do happen...

So it's a bit like sex really. It seems americans like to do it at frantic speeds for a few seconds, fizzle out, have a wee breather, then try again and see if it feels any better than the last time. Whereas Europeans and South Americans like a long slow grinding build up, probing here, pulling back, probing there, going across field, spreading the defence wide, sending it deep, and then finishing with a stuning display of skill, passion, and finesse...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
Here's the thing about the low scoring nature of soccer. Think about the free market, what happens when something gets scarce? That's right, the difficulty and rarity of soccer goals makes them a much more extatic and cathartic event when they do happen...

So it's a bit like sex really. It seems americans like to do it at frantic speeds for a few seconds, fizzle out, have a wee breather, then try again and see if it feels any better than the last time. Whereas Europeans and South Americans like a long slow grinding build up, probing here, pulling back, probing there, going across field, spreading the defence wide, sending it deep, and then finishing with a stuning display of skill, passion, and finesse...

Well, sticking with that convincing sex anaolgy Rolling Eyes, I guess the Trinidad and Tobago vs. Sweden was a like a randy guy with his Catholic girlfriend: One was excited that no scoring took place and one was thoroughly frustrated. Oh, and how about the England match? I believe there is a word for "finishing with a stunning display of skill, passion and finesse" on yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
Satori wrote:
Here's the thing about the low scoring nature of soccer. Think about the free market, what happens when something gets scarce? That's right, the difficulty and rarity of soccer goals makes them a much more extatic and cathartic event when they do happen...

So it's a bit like sex really. It seems americans like to do it at frantic speeds for a few seconds, fizzle out, have a wee breather, then try again and see if it feels any better than the last time. Whereas Europeans and South Americans like a long slow grinding build up, probing here, pulling back, probing there, going across field, spreading the defence wide, sending it deep, and then finishing with a stuning display of skill, passion, and finesse...

Well, sticking with that convincing sex anaolgy Rolling Eyes, I guess the Trinidad and Tobago vs. Sweden was a like a randy guy with his Catholic girlfriend: One was excited that no scoring took place and one was thoroughly frustrated. Oh, and how about the England match? I believe there is a word for "finishing with a stunning display of skill, passion and finesse" on yourself.


Haha, both of these made me laugh. Well done... well done! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
Satori wrote:
Here's the thing about the low scoring nature of soccer. Think about the free market, what happens when something gets scarce? That's right, the difficulty and rarity of soccer goals makes them a much more extatic and cathartic event when they do happen...

So it's a bit like sex really. It seems americans like to do it at frantic speeds for a few seconds, fizzle out, have a wee breather, then try again and see if it feels any better than the last time. Whereas Europeans and South Americans like a long slow grinding build up, probing here, pulling back, probing there, going across field, spreading the defence wide, sending it deep, and then finishing with a stuning display of skill, passion, and finesse...

Well, sticking with that convincing sex anaolgy Rolling Eyes, I guess the Trinidad and Tobago vs. Sweden was a like a randy guy with his Catholic girlfriend: One was excited that no scoring took place and one was thoroughly frustrated. Oh, and how about the England match? I believe there is a word for "finishing with a stunning display of skill, passion and finesse" on yourself.

Nothing wrong with a little teasing and delayed satisfaction, makes it so much better when you finally get release. And nothing wrong with finishing yourself off ( dont even dream of telling you havent ) as long as its explosive!
Razz Razz Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:19 am    Post subject: hockey and soccer Reply with quote

This is an interesting discussion. I'm not going to knock hockey or soccer but I would like to add a few comments.

I agree that goals in soccer are harder to come by, and because of that, I think the fans and the players themselves really appreciate them in a way that a regular season hockey goal isn't. Of course, if we are talking about hockey playoffs where each goal scored takes on added importance, then that changes. Having said that, many hockey playoff games are low scoring as well, so perhaps that is why they do get larger celebrations when goals occur.
Anyway, I don't think the fact that hockey has more goals means it is a better game.

Which sport has more skilled players? That's a brutal question. Both sports have extremely skilled players and players who are not as skilled. If you can't appreciate the skill that many soccer players demonstrate while controling the ball... you proabably haven't really given the sport a chance. The same could be said about people who think hockey players are all goons. Some can do some amazing things with their sticks while skating.

I would like to add this. Although I grew up around hockey and have followed it for years... I find playing the xbox/playstation soccer games (FIFA) far more enjoyable than the hockey counterparts. Why is that? The hockey games seem far more repetitive for one. Also, scoring goals in the soccer games is also far more enjoyable experience than scoring goals in the hockey games.

Lastly, hockey fans probably enjoy hockey more because they have a personal investment in the results of their favorite (city) teams and players. Of course such a person will not care so much about a game with teams they don't know. The same goes for soccer fans. For both fans, if you can't find a team to pull for, you probably won't get full enjoyment from the games. Anyway... that's my two cents worth. Go Togo! And go USA tonight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jinju,


Your knowledge about the skill of nhlers is ridiculous to say the least, humerous in fact. If you searched all NHL rosters this past year and knew the game, you would find maybe one player per team that could be classified as a goon. Having said that the goons of years ago are now long gone.

Goons of today have more hockey talent than you could ever dream of.
The past NHL season had a total of 475 fights in 1230 games or 73, 800 minutes of play.

Now hockey ia a high flying, high intensity game like no other on the planet where grown men strap sharp blades on their feet and go at it with full body contact. fighting has been a part of the game since inception and like it or not it still plays a minor role and I for one hope it never totally disappears.

I think it is completely reasonable to think that 475 times in 73,800 minutes of game time some men drop the gloves and solve things like real men.

Soccer was the topic of the OP and I wish these men would take a little more pride in how they solve their problems. I am not suggesting fighting, although that would entertaining but what they do is a shame.

soccer players that dive and writhe in pain on the field for moments until they see the ref is not going to call a foul and then get up and run around as if they were jesus walking on water, now there is a problem with sport, I wish that FIFA and major soccer leagues around the world would immediatly dismiss that player from the game with a red card, no questions asked just get off the field you p***y.

After one season with a rule like that soccer would actually become a more exciting sport to watch and the whimp soccer players would be eliminated and be on the way to holleywood where they belong.

Have you ever played hockey at a high level???? I think not, I have, several of my friends play in the nhl, about a dozen in other "fringe leagues" as you say. I wish you wouldn't shoot your mouth off about things you pretend to know about regardless of the subject.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
3) That question leads neatly into my biggest problem with soccer-- the drama. I know most people blame Italians for the diving and other crap, but I watched Enlgand play last night and there was the same stuff. In hockey, if a player over-embelishes a foul he'll get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Anything like that in soccer? I'd love to see the guys who fall, look around for 30 seconds, and then start rolling around in pain be handed a yellow or red card.


Players do get penalized in soccer for diving. It happens very frequently because diving happens very frequently. Sadly, sometimes the ref will penalize a player when he's been genuinely fouled.

What you've got to realize is this. Diving and cheating, or 'simulation' if that term's still going, is a problem in the game that all fans acknowledge and, as far as I'm aware, condemn....unless of course their team profits from it. There's the thing. Soccer is all about passion for your team/country. If Rooney blatantly dives and wins a penalty...fantastic! If the other team's striker does it, he's a cheating, scumbag tw*t. Soccer is all about winning at all costs - preferably fairly so the other team's supporters can't put you down, but unfairly in necessary. Also, as I successfully argued in the other thread, successfully fooling the referee is a skill. Could you dive convincingly for a penalty and make the ref seriously think you were fouled? No, it's very difficult. Some players try it and look like total idiots and get booked. Some players can do it time after time and - frankly - more power to them. Unless it's against England or Manchester United! Very Happy In fooling the ref, they've done something highly skillful AND got something for their team and their adoring fans. That's what it's all about.
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