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[patchy1]

[4 months left]

[Guri Guy]

http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/thelawsandrules/a/offsideex.htm

Soccer Rules - Law 11 - Offside Explained
From Bill Hutchison,
Your Guide to World Soccer.
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Feb 28 2006
Law 11, the offense of Offside is one of the most difficult and contentious decisions a refereee or his assistant has to make during a game of soccer.
It is a matter of judgement and opinion usually taken in a milli-second during a high speed movement in a game.
There is no simple way to explain the rule other than by reading and digesting the regulations.

LAW 11 -OFFSIDE

Offside Position:
It is not an offense in itself to be in an offside position.
A Player is in an offside position if:
He is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent.

A Player is NOT in an offside position if:
He is in his own half of the field of play
OR
He is level with the second last opponent
OR
He is level with the last two opponents.

THE OFFENSE:
A Player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
Interfering with play
OR
Interfering with an opponent
OR
Gaining an advantage by being in that position.

When is a player regarded as being "actively involved in play?"

Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team mate.

Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.

Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or crossbar or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.

If a player is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent.
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The position of any part of the player's head, body or feet will be the deciding factor and not the player's arms.

NO OFFENSE:
There is no offense if a Player receives the ball directly from:
A goal kick
OR
A throw-in
OR
A corner Kick

SANCTIONS
For any offside offense, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the oposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred

Now you understand what the offside offense is, you'll be certain the referee made the wrong decision - when he allowed an 'offside' goal against your team to stand.

[patchy1]

OK, here it is: I couldn't get into the FIFA site, but I got something close to it -

OFFSIDE RULE - NEW FIFA GUIDELINESManchester United
"FIFA has circulated soccer's national associations with new recommendations on how referees should handle offside decisions.The proposals have already been tested this season on an informal basis in Italy's Serie A. Assistant referee's will now have to wait until the end of a move before signaling a passive player off-side. The new guidlines mean that Manchester United offside will not be signalled for uninvolved players who do not directly block the vision or restrict the movement of an opponent and who do not touch the ball. This is not a rule change but an attempt to define more precisely what is meant by 'interfering with play.' The new guidline states "that offside for interfering with play means - playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team mate." And that offside for interfering with play means,"preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball, for example, by clearly obstructing the goalkeeper's line of vision or movements" or "making a gesture or movement while standing in the path of the ball to deceive or distract an opponent." A player will be deemed to have gained an advantage from an offside position if he "plays a ball that rebounds off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position" or "plays a ball that rebounds off an opponent having been in an offside position". FIFA hopes that these new guidelines will improve the game by allowing more attacking play. Manchester United ..."
http://worldsoccer.about.com/b/a/038626.htm

The highlighted part is the same as the part that's in the OP.

[Guri Guy]

[Demophobe]

Listen patchy1...I have no vested interest in lying. I saw the replay and a Korean player kicked the ball (or at least the ball hit his outstretched foot) and that acted as a kind of pass to the swiss dude who turned and scored.

It was plain as day and there is no doubt at all that it was not at all offside. If you need to see before you believe, that's up to you, but sometimes a burger-flippin', fry-serving white guy can be telling the truth.

[ajgeddes]

The rule is pretty simple.

If the ball just rebounds off someone in an offside position, it is still offside.

If the ball is kicked by the defending team to someone in the offside position, it is no offside.

So, the real debate is whether the ball was tipped to the player, or if it was actually a kick. Honestly, from watching the replay 8,395 times, it is still a tough decision. While the Korean players foot is making the kicking motion, I highly doubt he wanted to play it to the Swiss player. When it comes to plays that are obviously this debatable and there seems to be no real clear answer of what it actually is, you just have to go with the referee's decision. Referee's make bad calls all the time, and they overrule their linesmen all the time. Was it the right call or the wrong call? I don't know, it is too hard to tell. Either way, the call was made, nothing can be changed, so there really is no point in going on about it.

If you want to make a thread about debatable calls made during the last 100 years of sports, I am sure we could think of 1000's that were controversial enough.

[4 months left]

[coldcrush]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnTNhHr0EA0

I think the Koreans will come to accept that sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you.

What irks me is how this result has again exposed the particularly virulent strain of schadenfraude that some expats possess towards Korea.

It's sad. I can only imagine how hollow a person's daily existence must be if they take such glee in an emerging team's downfall.

[JLarter]

I had just found that link too.
Alan Shearer is a legend!
I think he explains it as clearly as it could be.

[Demophobe]

[4 months left]

Found this too - NO OFFSIDE

http://www.flemflemflem.com/crap/swisskorean.jpg

[coldcrush]

[Guri Guy]

No Shadenfreuden here.
Koreans have already demonstrated it by gleefully observing that Japan had been eliminated.

The Shearer video is excellent and being English I think it would qualify as fairly unbiased.

I am suprised they haven't shown more anger towards Argentina. After all, the referee was Argentinian. I am sure it is Switzerland's fault that they won the game. How dare you beat the mighty Daehanminguk!

[patchy1]

In the clip posted up by coldcrush, in the slow motion part, I saw the ball being 'touched', not kicked, and the speaker in that video said as much. It looked like it was kicked in the first part of the clip though. And Frei looked like he wasn't offside when it was 'kicked'. It's very hard to tell.

Switching channels, I wonder what the hell the Koreans were doing just standing there while this was going on - I mean before the flag was raised? Did anyone else see this? The defense was just terrible.

As I said the coach has got a lot to account for. Long before this match, or even long before the World Cup, I said the Korean soccer players had trouble with their game - with the mental aspects.

Is Korea a Giant Cult?