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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:55 am Post subject: |
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As for me, I will stick with XP. I assume that the support will continue with XP for at least another 5 years after the VISTA release date. That is more than fine with me. |
Was anyone using Windows 95 in the year 2000? Well, yes there were. They're called computer novices and people barely on the computng scene.
Does computer technology work on a slower schedule today? Think about it. What kind of people use WIN98 today? Crusty old timers. |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm a little different than most of the hobbyists on this forum in that I need computers for my livlihood. I have a real job and I also do freelance from home, and all told have about 10 computers. 2 of them are running hacked Xp, and the rest are legit.
I used to feel that if I was making money, then I should pay for my software. Those are my tools, after all. But I guess old hacker habits die hard and i'm stingier than I thought.
If I was just a hobbyist I don't think I would worry much about using hacked software. At my day job I have thrown MS more money than I care to remember, buying stuff for my projects and for my team.
At the corporate level, you REALLY get gouged.
| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| Specifically, is the equation:: honest buyers * lower price >= honest buyers * higher price? |
Yes. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well, MS is a company, and they will seek profits. How high is really up to them and whatever the market will handle. I guess they are still in the safe zone with pricing, as it seems there are enough paying customers to keep them operating, and then some.
As for hacking habits...yeah, I too have those, but I have always felt that the OS should be legit, especially with a product like Windows, which gets chipped away at by so many people, it needs to be patched almost daily. I can't be bothered with all of the labour anymore. There was a time when I would go to great lengths to use a piece of software; install all manner of workarounds virtual this and that, registry editing, loading two or three other programs for masking, etc... , but it seems now I just can't be bothered.
If it looks like I have to run Starforce, Starfreaker, mount an image, replace a handful of .dll files, disconnect the net and then disconnect my ODDs, then i just won't play that game. 2 or 3 years ago, that would have been fun - a challenge to get around The Man....guess I'm getting old. I still know how to do it - I read those old habit sites all the time, but actually doing it just seems like a pain.
EDIT: cdfreaks is still a great place to read. I recommend this site to anyone interested in computing. |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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I wonder if MS is considering the negative backlash that Vista could create. Some users will be very put off by some aspects of the OS and just stick with WinXP for as long as possible. Heck, they only just announced that they will no longer offer support for Win98...XP should last well into the future.
All privacy issues aside, Vista does have fairly steep system requirements for it to run in all its glory. I wonder how many casual users are going to want to upgrade just for the sake of an OS? Especially seeing as WinXP is, as CL said, running very well indeed. Do you think they will end support for XP quickly in order to draw users to Vista?
Vista supposedly uses 700MB of RAM, plus a pagefile when running. Wow.
Cost of the OS, upgrade costs, privacy concerns...MS may have quite an uphill battle selling this. Its only redeeming feature to the average user will be greater security (improved firewall, Windows Defender), perhaps easier to use (though XP is far from difficult) and better looking.
Flip3D, Aero, sidebar...pretty neat, if not a nod to MAC OS. |
This is exactly why users should wait until it is released just to replace or upgrade their existing system. I made that mistake when bough a $4000 computer in the summer of 1995. It was a great computer, but living in the boonies and having no internet access at that time deprived me of the knowledge that Win95 was being released in only a month's time. I walked into a store two months after I made the purchase and found the exact same computer with double the standard memory, triple the hdd capacity, an active matrix screen (it was the top of the line at the time and was not on my model), and shipped with the new OS, FOR HALF THE PRICE! I was really kicking myself over it. All of the hardware upgrades were prompted by the release of Win95 over win3.11/DOS6.2.
BTW, I used that hunk of crap laptop until just 3 years ago when I finally trashed it (by trashing it, I mean putting in a box in my parents basement!), and upgraded to an XP based laptop. I now run a PC with XP MCE 2005 (legit), which I think was well worth buying. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Buy the ticket, take the ride. If you're slobbing on the devil's knob, he's bound to knut in your face.
Don't like it?
Don't use microshaft.
That said,
I definitely would not advise upgrading an existing computer to run an OS. With an average useful lifetime of about 5 years, it's better to ride the machine out on the existing OS and get a new computer and OS in a few years. But that's just me. My little brother downgraded his XP to ME and he loves it. But that's just him.
I met a fellow, astrophysicist, never understood half of what he was saying. But he ran Windows 3 on a pretty new machine. Hardly any OS overhead and he had that thing doing somme pretty sophisticated computations. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
Buy the ticket, take the ride. If you're slobbing on the devil's knob, he's bound to knut in your face.
Don't like it?
Don't use microshaft.
That said,
I definitely would not advise upgrading an existing computer to run an OS. With an average useful lifetime of about 5 years, it's better to ride the machine out on the existing OS and get a new computer and OS in a few years. But that's just me. My little brother downgraded his XP to ME and he loves it. But that's just him.
I met a fellow, astrophysicist, never understood half of what he was saying. But he ran Windows 3 on a pretty new machine. Hardly any OS overhead and he had that thing doing somme pretty sophisticated computations. |
Please tell me you have had a few....
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Still working on my first.
Something distasteful? |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Still working on my first.
Something distasteful? |
No...just...uh....um....interesting.
I need you guys to talk me out of it...I'm itching again......I'm ready to sell my two 6800GT's (one with 256mb ram and the other with 512) and buy a monster 7900GT. ARGHHHH...The agony!!
Man..... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
I need you guys to talk me out of it...I'm itching again......I'm ready to sell my two 6800GT's (one with 256mb ram and the other with 512) and buy a monster 7900GT. ARGHHHH...The agony!!
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Talk you out of it? Ok...here goes....
Don't get a really nice, fast video card that won't leave you wanting anything more for a long, long time! Don't desire smooth framerates at high resolutions with all the eye candy maxed out! Be happy playing PREY at medium settings, knowing full well that you could be experiencing a gorgeous game in all of it's splendor. Don't think about the new, improved architecture or the blistering fast RAM and last of all, don't think about the fact that you are already spoiled with an SLI setup that anyone would absolutely love.
How was that?
Meh....it never works for me either. Just buy it.
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