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On January 29, 2006...Prophesy about Lebanon
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Teufelswacht

Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:01 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

He prophesied in a church with many members back in January. Many were there to hear the prophesy in which gives authority to being released on the internet.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that nothing he says can be released onto the 'net unless others hear it? Or, nothing can released until he approves it? I honestly don't know what this has to do with anything. And about him preaching the prophecy to a church full of members, I see that as a vague point to wit:

From Chuck's newsletter:

On January 29, 2006 when I was speaking in a church service at Jubilee Church in Camarillo, the Lord began to speak to me about Lebanon. One of the things they do at Jubilee is pray for the nations each Sunday. When I saw the flag of Lebanon, it lit up by the Holy Spirit for me to see. The Lord then began to quicken a prophetic word to me. He said, "Watch Lebanon." Not only was He speaking to that church and the people there as a personal call for them to watch over the nation of Lebanon, but I felt like He was speaking to us as His people that Lebanon would become a real prayer focus and issue this year. I was hesitant to interrupt the service and give this word because I was not confident over who in the service would understand the concept of Lebanon today. However, I am glad that I heeded the Lord's voice that He was calling us to pray for Lebanon this year.

As I read the above I understand it to be they were doing a regular prayer for the nations thing (I checked the churches website). Chuck supposedly had this "experience" when he looked at the flag of Lebanon. Now look carefully. He does not say he blurted out the "prophecy" He says he is glad that he prayed for Lebanon. No mention of stating the prophecy to the church. No mention in his newsletters prior to July. No mention on the churches website where this supposedly occurred.

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Go to his site, I am sure there are other prophecies that he has up.
Actually, I just did. Here's one on N.Korea.
http://www.glory-of-zion.org/news20060710.htm
It's not from Chuck Pierce, so I am not going to make a thread on it. It's from Dana Thompson.

I went there. I read it. The first word that comes to mind is "vague." There is nothing there you can nail down. Everything in that "prophecy" is nothing more than common sense and extrapolation based on the combination of past events and the current situation. Oh, and though it is not from Chuck it does appear on his site and seems to be approved by him. I don't see why you wouldn't post a thread on it seeing as how you started a thread on this "prophecy." But I find the difference between the two interesting. Here is a so-called, vague "prophecy" that can be independently confirmed as being made beforehand versus the "prophecy" on Lebanon that can't. If the Lebanon "prophecy" was such an enthralling experience why didn't it appear in print when it was made? 5E, my cyber-friend, it just doesn't pass the common sense test.

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Sure, and how do you know the false...by their fruit.

I agree. The fruit can also include false prophecies.

Before I forget. I went by your little cul-de-sac on the 'net and did some reading. If I understand correctly, congratulations are in order for you and your family. Best of luck to you and yours.

Take care.

T

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:52 am Post subject:

happeningthang wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

happeningthang wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

Profound!

It's fire with fire, baby.

Wow, I feel the heat, it's like I am burning up.

I think you're missing and mixing the metaphor there Eagles. It's meant to mean, 'you post something ludicrous, I post something ludicrous'.

Geddit?

I wrote this opus
To reverse the hypnosis
Whoever's closest
To the line's gonna win it
You gonna fall tryin to ball
While my team win the pennant
I'm about to be in it
For a minute
Then run for senate
Make a slum lord be the tenant
Give his money to kids to spend it
And then amend it
Every law that ever prevented
Our survival since our arrival
Documented in the bible
Like Moses and Aaron
Things gon change, it's apparent
And all the transparent gonna
Be seen through
Let God redeem you
Keep your deen true
Watch out what you cling to
You can get the green too
Observe how a queen do
And I remain calm readin' the 73 Psalm
Cause wit all this on I got the world in palm
You could get the money
You could get the power
But keep your eyes on the final hour

Got it!

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:44 am Post subject:

Teufelswacht wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

He prophesied in a church with many members back in January. Many were there to hear the prophesy in which gives authority to being released on the internet.

No, but you and others seem to be questioning whether it was released in January 2006.

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Doesn't he, by mentioning this "prophecy" after the fact, seem to you to skirt the first and most important test of whether a prophecy is God-given or not?

What I am saying is that it was prophesied in church in January and then it was published on the net as a sign to the rest of the church. I can't say for sure because I wasn't there, but this seems to be the logical course of action. Chuck prophesies a lot and they are not all going to end up on the internet. They will be recorded by church elders and thus his accuracy will be measured. This one happens to be global and affects the whole body of Christ and so it was posted on the net and allows them to encouraged by it.

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From Chuck's newsletter:
On January 29, 2006 when I was speaking in a church service at Jubilee Church in Camarillo, the Lord began to speak to me about Lebanon. One of the things they do at Jubilee is pray for the nations each Sunday. When I saw the flag of Lebanon, it lit up by the Holy Spirit for me to see. The Lord then began to quicken a prophetic word to me. He said, "Watch Lebanon." Not only was He speaking to that church and the people there as a personal call for them to watch over the nation of Lebanon, but I felt like He was speaking to us as His people that Lebanon would become a real prayer focus and issue this year. I was hesitant to interrupt the service and give this word because I was not confident over who in the service would understand the concept of Lebanon today. However, I am glad that I heeded the Lord's voice that He was calling us to pray for Lebanon this year.

As I read the above I understand it to be they were doing a regular prayer for the nations thing (I checked the churches website). Chuck supposedly had this "experience" when he looked at the flag of Lebanon. Now look carefully. He does not say he blurted out the "prophecy" He says he is glad that he prayed for Lebanon. No mention of stating the prophecy to the church. No mention in his newsletters prior to July. No mention on the churches website where this supposedly occurred.

Notice how he says, he was hesitant to interupt the church service with the word. However, he was glad that he heeded the word and so it seems that he interupted the service to give the word.

But you make a good point. It isn't very clear and you are right, it's not posted on their website. Maybe they didn't think it was that big of a deal. You could email them to find out. I would be interested in what they have to say. Steve, the editor of elijah list, is on myspace. I will email him with a link to this discussion. Maybe he will respond.

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First off, and I don't want to get religious on you here, but it isn't about common sense right? It's about lining up prophesy with scripture and seeing if it aligns properly.

I put up the prophesy about N.Korea, because someone was asking about a prophesy that hadn't happen yet. So I did. There wasn't supposed to be a correlation.

Probably because they prophesy many things and not all of the prophesies are going to make it onto the net. But your right, there should be a better system in which the prophesies that seem to be more important should be posted on the net.

That being said, the church is far from perfect and it has a long way to go. Some say it's only 15 percent of where it is supposed to be.

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Sure, and how do you know the false...by their fruit.

I agree. The fruit can also include false prophecies.

Absolutely. However, if Chuck prophesied this in front of a congregation in January then it's a sign from God that he speaks to His people: if it comes true. The word hasn't fully happened yet. Which is why I posted this thread, because it is only half way to being accomplished.

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Before I forget. I went by your little cul-de-sac on the 'net and did some reading. If I understand correctly, congratulations are in order for you and your family. Best of luck to you and yours.

Thank you! Life is definitely good. Smile

What about you? You have family?
Andrew

happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:27 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

happeningthang wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

happeningthang wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

Profound!

It's fire with fire, baby.

Wow, I feel the heat, it's like I am burning up.

I think you're missing and mixing the metaphor there Eagles. It's meant to mean, 'you post something ludicrous, I post something ludicrous'.

Geddit?

Not really.

But in any case Eagles it's late and I'm tired of talking bollocks. In all honesty - if you're happy believing what you believe - more power to you, rock on. The one thing that annoys me about you and your behaviour is this need to push a religious belief system and act as missionary. Why can't you just be content with your inner peace and leave it at that?

Teufelswacht

Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:01 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

No, but you and others seem to be questioning whether it was released in January 2006.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "released." If you mean spoken to a public gathering, such as in a church, and accurately recorded at that time. Then the answer is "Yes" I am questioning it.

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They will be recorded by church elders and thus his accuracy will be measured.

If it was recorded on January 29, 2006 by the elders and can be provided for examination then that would address the question above. If not, well....

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Notice how he says, he was hesitant to interupt the church service with the word. However, he was glad that he heeded the word and so it seems that he interupted the service to give the word.

I read it one way and you read it another, I guess.

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First off, and I don't want to get religious on you here, but it isn't about common sense right?

We could get into a very deep discussion about this point. However, for the sake of brevity I will just say that in this instance it would a fantastic discussion regarding the nexus of the thoughts of C.S. Lewis regarding the logical nature of Christianity as a whole and the "reasonable man" test that influences our perceptions of the world in which we live. Oooops, went a little longer than I thought.

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Probably because they prophesy many things and not all of the prophesies are going to make it onto the net. But your right, there should be a better system in which the prophesies that seem to be more important should be posted on the net.

In general, I agree. The thing that really bothers me is the lack of specificity with regards to many of these "prophecies." The ones I have read all strike me as much too vague. It makes me think I could read a couple of news magazines, postulate a couple of possible outcomes, select the most logical and develop a "prophesy."

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That being said, the church is far from perfect and it has a long way to go. Some say it's only 15 percent of where it is supposed to be.

You and I are in total agreement. That is one of the reasons I question, question, question. My problems, not to get off on a tangent here, are the (1) anti-intellectualism prevalent in many parts of the church, (2) the current trend towards "feel good" Christianity and the (3) "My buddy Jesus" theology that seems to have infected the modern church. I could go on and on about each of these but I think you know what I mean.

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There is the point of contention, right there - if. Although, I would then have to go back to the "vagueness" question.

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Thank you! Life is definitely good. What about you? You have family?

Yep, I'm a family man also. I wouldn't trade it for the world. You have a lot of joys, heart-aches and challenges ahead of you. And, if you're like me, you'll cherish every minute of it. Pass along my congratulations to your lovely wife also.

I think it would be best, if you want to continue this discussion, we do it via PM.

Take care.

T

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:

happeningthang wrote:

But in any case Eagles it's late and I'm tired of talking bollocks. In all honesty - if you're happy believing what you believe - more power to you, rock on. The one thing that annoys me about you and your behaviour is this need to push a religious belief system and act as missionary. Why can't you just be content with your inner peace and leave it at that?

Ok, fair enough, it seems like you are being serious.

Why don't you start a thread on it and I will join in. There are many Christians on the board, so they might like to add to it.

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