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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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4. I'm for religious freedom. . |
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Yet in your very first post you state that you "hate the way people are increasingly using religion to define themselves and everyone else. It is NOT a healthy development and I wish it would stop" (italics are mine)
If people wish to use religion to define themselves (which has been done for hundreds of years) then that is part and parcel of religious freedom. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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4. I'm for religious freedom. . |
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Yet in your very first post you state that you "hate the way people are increasingly using religion to define themselves and everyone else. It is NOT a healthy development and I wish it would stop" (italics are mine)
If people wish to use religion to define themselves (which has been done for hundreds of years) then that is part and parcel of religious freedom.[/quote]
ha. Sounds like the argument of the ACLU. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| I disagree with the 'irrelevant' comment. I can't see how you can say a billion + people would be irrelevant |
Without their oil money, the Middle East would be largely irrelevant, economically and hence politically. That is simply a fact. Apart from oil and Islam, they have very little to offer the world.
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| If you don't want Moslems imported to do your laundry then you can import South Americans or Africans. My bet is you would have pretty much the same complaints about them |
Both the groups you mention do not cause anyway near the problems caused by Muslims. People from such communities are not involved in terrorism in the countries they immigrate to, and people from such groups do not adhere to a distinctly anti-liberal and anti-Western creed, or join organisations with the precise aim of overthrowing Western democracy. They also integrate far more easily.
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| In all cases, you are avoiding the core problem |
Which 'core' problem are you referring to?
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| I'm for religious freedom. If the Saudis want to spend their money trying to recruit Wahabbis, that's their business |
When the people they are trying to recruit start blowing up buses and trains then it does very much become your business. Do you think it is acceptable to allow foreign governments to sponsor organisations which actively encourage immigrants to hate the West and non-Muslims? If you are for religious freedom, you should demand it of Muslim nations, and until they meet such demands, they should not be allowed the freedom to conduct Da'wa in the West, especially when the stated aim of such religious largesse is to spread Shariah and undermine Western democracy.
Why should we allow the Saudis and others to build mosques in our countries (especially when they spew Jihad and infidel hatred) when any other religions accept Islam, are banned from Saudi Arabia, and are severely restricted in other Muslim nations? We should demand reciprocity in our relations with Muslim nations, as we should do with all nations.
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| They are still in the world. And we are all neighbors. |
Yes, but they can no longer cause us the specific problems they caused by them being in the country. So, it does solve that particular problem. I would prefer to have such people rioting and agitating for Shariah in Karachi than doing the same in Yorkshire. |
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flip ant
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
Location: He's got high hopes!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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At the risk of sounding racist here, it's not the Muslims I dislike, it's the Arabs. The Arab culture has very few redeeming qualities in my view. No, I don't advocate killing them all nor "putting them in their place" but, after spending a few years in the Middle East, I will NEVER willingly go back there. It's the Arab culture and mentality that fuels the kind of crap that we see virtually every day from this part of the world. Too bad most Arab whackos hide behind their Islamic faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Arabs who pervert it. I would dearly love for the oil dependency of the world to dry up so these people would quit spreading their worthless culture around the planet.
OK, let the racism charges commence. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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At the risk of sounding racist here, it's not the Christians I dislike, it's the Americans. American culture has very few redeeming qualities in my view. No, I don't advocate killing them all nor "putting them in their place" but, after spending a few years in the U.S.A., I will NEVER willingly go back there. It's the American culture and mentality that fuels the kind of crap that we see virtually every day from this part of the world. Too bad most American whackos hide behind their Christian faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Americans who pervert it. I would dearly love for American cultural dependency around the world to dry up so these people would quit spreading their worthless culture around the planet.
OK, let the racism charges commence.
DD
PS> see how ridiculous your post was..........and mine? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I hate people in general.
If the animals ever rise up I am going to help them. |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I hate people in general.
If the animals ever rise up I am going to help them. |
Me too, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to "rise up." We (humans) are the ones who have to rise up for them. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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If people wish to use religion to define themselves (which has been done for hundreds of years) then that is part and parcel of religious freedom.
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You miss my point. I don't care (too much) how other people define themselves. What disturbs me is 1) people defining themselves ONLY by religion and 2) people defining everyone in terms of religion. We are not one-dimensional beings. At least I'm not.
What triggered my op was that piece by Pat Buchanan titled "Where are the Christians?" I object to people being killed for their ideas. I was uncomfortable in the Cold War because I was neither Communist or Capitalist. I am uncomfortable now because I'm not Jewish/Christian or Moslem. And I don't want to be forced to side with either one. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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And your message to sundubuman is.....?????
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What is the attraction for you of life in the gutter? Why do you want the rest of us to climb down there with you? |
climb up you idiot. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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At the risk of sounding racist here, it's not the Christians I dislike, it's the Americans. American culture has very few redeeming qualities in my view. No, I don't advocate killing them all nor "putting them in their place" but, after spending a few years in the U.S.A., I will NEVER willingly go back there. It's the American culture and mentality that fuels the kind of crap that we see virtually every day from this part of the world. Too bad most American whackos hide behind their Christian faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Americans who pervert it. I would dearly love for American cultural dependency around the world to dry up so these people would quit spreading their worthless culture around the planet.
OK, let the racism charges commence.
DD
PS> see how ridiculous your post was..........and mine? |
Thanks for this post.
It confirms much of what i suspected about you.
And by the way, seeing as we are communicating with one another in cybersapace, welcome to America dip- s-h-i-t
Did you spend enough time in the states to understand that???
And please never ever step foot in America (including cyberspace) ever again. And never get on an airplane, use electricity, or sit in an air-conditioned room ever again (and say good-bye to blues, house, jazz, rap, rock etc, music)
and if you reside in a country in which dead Americans sacrificed for your freedom, please advocate for the return of Japanese/German imperial troops.
Just to complete our divorce from cretins such as yourself. Scumbag. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel....keep posting though.......it intrigues us americans..... |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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At the risk of sounding racist here, it's not the Christians I dislike, it's the Koreans. Koreann culture has very few redeeming qualities in my view. No, I don't advocate killing them all nor "putting them in their place" but, after spending a few years in Korea., I will NEVER willingly go back there. It's the Korean culture and mentality that fuels the kind of crap that we see virtually every day from this part of the world. Too bad most Korean whackos hide behind their Christian faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Koreans who pervert it. I would dearly love for Korean cultural dependency around the world to dry up so these people would quit spreading their worthless culture around the planet.
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At the risk of sounding racist here, it's not the Christians I dislike, it's the Chinese. Chinese culture has very few redeeming qualities in my view. No, I don't advocate killing them all nor "putting them in their place" but, after spending a few years in China, I will NEVER willingly go back there. It's the Chinese culture and mentality that fuels the kind of crap that we see virtually every day from this part of the world. Too bad most Chinese whackos hide behind their Christian faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Chinese who pervert it. I would dearly love for Chinese cultural dependency around the world to dry up so these people would quit spreading their worthless culture around the planet. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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similar angle.....
At the risk of sounding racist here, it's not the Jews I dislike, it's the Israelis. Israeli culture has very few redeeming qualities in my view. No, I don't advocate killing them all nor "putting them in their place" but, after spending a few years in Israel., I will NEVER willingly go back there. It's the Israeli culture and mentality that fuels the kind of crap that we see virtually every day from this part of the world. Too bad most Israeli whackos hide behind their Jewish faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Israelis/Jews who pervert it. I would dearly love for Israeli/Jewish cultural dependency around the world to dry up so these people would quit spreading their worthless culture around the planet. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Too bad most Arab whackos hide behind their Islamic faith because I believe the religion is basically good (although I don't agree with it) but it is the Arabs who pervert it |
Islam was invented by an Arab, Mohammed, and was institutionalized and establsihed by Arabs. It is quite difficult to seperate being Arab with being a Muslim. The Islamic religion has the imprint of Arab culture. The Koran is written in Arabic, and for the conservatives can only be understood and recited in Arabic. Those who convert to Islam take Arab names. It is an Arab religion.
The religion is not basically good, and the Arabs are not 'perverting' it. Do some more reading about the life of Mohammed and about the nature of Islam and you will come to this realisation also. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Just to complete our divorce from cretins such as yourself. Scumbag. |
Sundubuman,
Can you read? My post was completely satire and I even qualified it so that subhumans such as yourself, who can only throw out swill from their mouth, might understand the premise/point.
I agree, America has done lots and yes, I have lived and traveled there much.........
Your post is completely off and you are just a mere speck of dust, with no bearing.....
I'll gladly divorce myself from those like yourself, who are so "patriotic" as to divorce themselves from even satire or laughter...
DD |
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