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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
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I don't see a category error here at all. If you are going to defend a Culture of Life, then defend it everywhere. Selectively defending a Culture of Life is like not defending it at all. There was no logical error in Stewart's comedic presentation, and it was damn funny too. |
I don't like buzzwords such as "culture of life," but I personally disagree with all wars, period, including the war in Iraq. However, it's perfectly possible to defend war under some circumstances and still condemn fatal experiments on people. I think most of the population would support that position, actually -- but of course Stewart feels embryos aren't people worthy of protection. If he'd just said so instead of bringing up Iraq and using bizarre "snowflake baby" clips to ridicule his opponents, I probably wouldn't have bothered commenting on his show at all.
This isn't the most important issue in the world to me but it would be nice if commentators like Stewart would just address one issue at a time: Iraq one day, embryo experiments the next, Bush's personal philosophy of life the day after that. Maybe that's too much to expect of a comedy show, but it's irritating to see people swallow this sort of crap and then congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority to the rest of us. Some things aren't funny. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| red dog wrote: |
| This isn't the most important issue in the world to me but it would be nice if commentators like Stewart would just address one issue at a time: Iraq one day, embryo experiments the next, Bush's personal philosophy of life the day after that. Maybe that's too much to expect of a comedy show, but it's irritating to see people swallow this sort of crap and then congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority to the rest of us. Some things aren't funny. |
I believe Stewart was addressing one issue - Bush's smarmy hypocrisy about "defending life". |
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Delirium's Brother
Joined: 08 May 2006
Location: Out in that field with Rumi, waiting for you to join us!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| red dog wrote: |
| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
@ Red Dog:
I don't see a category error here at all. If you are going to defend a Culture of Life, then defend it everywhere. Selectively defending a Culture of Life is like not defending it at all. There was no logical error in Stewart's comedic presentation, and it was damn funny too. |
I don't like buzzwords such as "culture of life," but I personally disagree with all wars, period, including the war in Iraq. |
I agree with you, war is bad; but the "buzzword," Culture of Life, is specifically relevant because it's being championed by the Bush junta. Furthermore, the irony is that anti-war discourses don't seem to fit under the rubric of Bush's Culture of Life ideology. That's Stewart's point.
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| However, it's perfectly possible to defend war under some circumstances and still condemn fatal experiments on people. |
No, life is life, it's all equally valuable: embryonic and Iraqis. If you march under a Culture of Life banner, as Bush does, you can't selectively choose. Under what circumstances is war just, when you've committed yourself to the sanctity of life?
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| I think most of the population would support that position, actually -- but of course Stewart feels embryos aren't people worthy of protection. |
You are wrong here, I think Stewart is pointing out that Bush feels that some lives aren't worthy of protection.
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| If he'd just said so instead of bringing up Iraq and using bizarre "snowflake baby" clips to ridicule his opponents, I probably wouldn't have bothered commenting on his show at all. |
I can't believe you are so pedantic. Comedy is mainly about juxtaposition. The "snowflake babies" and Iraq, are absolutely fair-game in the contexts of a comedy sketch that questions the president's commitments to a Culture of Life.
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| This isn't the most important issue in the world to me but it would be nice if commentators like Stewart would just address one issue at a time: Iraq one day, embryo experiments the next, Bush's personal philosophy of life the day after that. |
Wrong again, the real world isn't serial! Life is complexity and complication. Given that, I expect logical consistency from politicians and I expect my social commentators to draw conclusion and develop insights when politicians want to obfuscate and compartmentalize the issues.
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| Maybe that's too much to expect of a comedy show, but it's irritating to see people swallow this sort of crap and then congratulate themselves on their supposed superiority to the rest of us. |
They are superior if, in laughing with Stewart, they can see through the Bush junta's logical inconsistencies and ideological contradictions.
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| Some things aren't funny. |
Your lack of imagination for one.
Wow, I know that a lot of people teaching in Korea get stuck with a raw deal, but I hope they're at least giving you oxygen for your brain.
edit: fixed a typo and grammar error
Last edited by Delirium's Brother on Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:01 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Who would make serious complaints about the ethical news analysis of a self-proclaimed FAKE NEWS COMEDY SHOW?
Btw, the "snowflake kids" term was devised by Rove, not Jon Stewart. The bit about them being all white was, surprise surprise, a JOKE!
Man Comedy Central is really failing to live up to its promise of providing a forum for serious, intellectual debate and current event analysis.  |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| " but I personally disagree with all wars, period, including the war in Iraq. |
By definition, a war is two or more country's fighting. So, if country A invades country B, and Country B decides not to fight, then there is no war. So, if you personally disagree with all wars, then if you were, say, the Allied nations from 1939 onwards, you would have just let Hitler roll on through all countries and take over the world? Really? That's your opinion?
If not, please clarify. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Pretty hilarious clip and bang on about the moral hypocrisy! |
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Salty T
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Location: Happy Suwon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Bush's stance on stem cell research is hyprocritical, not because of Iraq but because of in-vitro fertilization.
During in-vitro fertilization, dozens of embryos are created and then whittled down to a select "cream of the crop." The rest are simply discarded. These select few embryos are then implanted, with the expectation that all but one of them will die. In about half of all implantations, none of the embryos will survive. So whenever a couple decides to undergo IVF, dozens of embryos are killed. Yet this is a common and accepted practice in America, while stem-cell research is getting all the talk about "moral ambiguity." Why is Bush pressing so hard against stem-cell research while all this embryo-killing has been going on under his nose for the past twenty-five years? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Probably because it's new and depends on government funding. |
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