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ThePoet · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:42 am Post subject:

If I was Buzz Aldrin and 50 bubbleheads a day kept asking me about a conspiracy I'd eventually stop denying and have fun with the idiots too...

As for 3 tracking stations....The only one receiving the television signal was parkes as Honeysuckle did not have the capabilities for video and Goldstone was below the radio signal horizon of Apollo 11 when Armstrong went onto the porch.

Actually, a very interesting, humorous movie about this was made a few years ago called "The Dish" with Sam Neill.

And Mindmetoo is correct when he talks about the laser reflectors...there are 4 or 5 of them at the various Apollo landing sites and they are still used today. One of the things the scientists are finding through repeated use of the lasers is that the moon is slowly (a cm a year) moving farther away from the earth. There is also four seismometers that were left on the moon and they were in use until 1977. In fact, with the renewed focus on going back, there was recently an article on the NASA webpage that was talking about the potential a permanent lunar colony has of being hit with meteorites and the ways to prepare for it.

You can see this REAL science article at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/mmb/28apr_skyisfalling.html

Poet

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

This really has little to do with the thread, but I wonder how many Man on the Moon deniers also deny that the US has state-of-the-art satellite techonology and weaponry arrays.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

If the laser accounts are factual I'm inclined to accept that the Apollo 11 crew did make it to the moon. I'm not fanatical... Hey, I even portrayed a NASA VIP and astronaut Frank Borman's uncle in HBO's miniseries From the Earth to the Moon ... (Executive producer Tom Hanks is certainly an avid NASA fan, and I was in a scene with his real-life wife Rita Wilson, who played Borman's wife...)

I got the impression from reading the Buzz Aldrin quote that it was his initial reaction to seeing a video questioning the authenticity of the flight... At least he's not among the ranks of atheist scientists. He was criticised for instigating religious services and making religious statements in space...

"This is the LM pilot. I'd like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours and to give thanks in his or her own way."

He then took Communion, privately. At this time, NASA was still fighting a lawsuit brought by atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair (who had objected to the Apollo 8 crew reading from the Book of Genesis), which demanded that their astronauts refrain from religious activities while in space. As such, Aldrin (an Episcopalian) chose to refrain from directly mentioning this. He had kept the plan quiet, not even mentioning it to his wife, and did not reveal it publicly for several years. [6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

cubanlord · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!

I could have sworn that there was a documentary based on the moon-landing conspiracy. Does anyone have it? It does bring up some valid points.

mindmetoo · Joined: 02 Feb 2004

Troll_Bait · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject:

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

I won on that thread via TKO - he was suffering loss of consciousness (which he couldn't explain...) due to excessive bleeding ...

Throughout the fight, he "telegraphed" his shots, and his punches lacked power. I employed a "rope-a-dope" style (taking a lot of jabs and some weak hooks...) in the middle rounds , but he couldn't hurt me. When I sensed that he'd punched himself out I unleashed a solid uppercut that ripped his right eyelid off, and the referee, horrified by the volume of blood gushing out, stepped in and stopped the fight...

ontheway · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

Too bad. I was reading this and in a hurry to give Rteacher his odds on an easy bet, when I saw the lasar reflector comment. Rteacher already lost. No easy money today.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Actually, that's a sucker bet which I'd still be willing to make on the terms that I stated. (Even if they did make it to the moon the odds of their going back within five years and retrieving the original camera are much greater than 50 to 1...) The easy money'd be mine, Sam... Cool

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ontheway · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject:

Sorry Rteacher. You already caved. You said that if the lasar accounts are factual you'd be inclined to accept them as proof. See your comments above.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

The terms of the bet are independent of whatever proof would be sufficient to incline me to accept that they did make it to the moon. The terms of the bet are clearly stated:

Well, if you agree to give 50 to 1 odds ... I'll accept as proof that the Apollo moon landing was authentic when and if a subsequent journey to the moon retrieves the original camera that they claim to have left there...)

You see, my bet requires a higher standard of proof than even I might be willing to accept... Moreover, "inclination" does not constitute full acceptance, and I have yet to be completely satisfied that the laser reflector accounts are factual... Apparently, though, I'm one of very few on these forums willing to make concessions of any kind when presented with opposing evidence that's clearly convincing...

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

And now, after a couple minutes on the internet, I'm not at all satisfied that the laser reflection accounts are valid:

When I started this, I totally believed we landed on the moon," Ranen said. "I'm a smart guy. I'm not one of these hoaxers, so I thought this was going to be easy - bing, bing, bing and I'd be done."

But then he flew to Goddard Space Flight Center in Washington's suburbs, where he was told that the telemetry tapes from the Apollo 11 mission were missing. He spent a week at the University of Texas' McDonald Observatory near Fort Davis trying to send a laser beam to the moon in an attempt to bounce it off the reflector that Apollo astronauts left there. The test succeeded, he said, but he later found out the Soviets landed several unmanned probes with laser reflectors on the moon...

http://www.moonhoax.com/site/Between%20a%20rock%20and%20hard%20place%20-NASA%20dogged%20by%20skeptics%20claiming%20Apollo%2011%20hoax.htm

mindmetoo · Joined: 02 Feb 2004

laogaiguk · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea

dudes, some fan club nerd has them plastic wrapped right next to an original Darth Vader toy still in package with a red lightsabre Wink

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

The Russians drink too much vodka to know what's going on... Wink

I would say - without delving into it very much because I'm not technically very astute - that the preponderance of evidence favors that Apollo 11 (and certainly some lunar missions...) reached the moon.

However, it's certainly not indisputable, either, and there will remain at least a little reasonable doubt about particularly the Apollo 11 mission until there is more incontrovertible evidence.