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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| If they go anywhere else in Canada, it's going to be pretty much the same thing, in terms of weather. Or worse. Why isn't Moose Jaw a major winter tourist hot spot? So to speak. |
Canadians don't need a passport (at this time) to travel to the USA, Mexico or the Caribbean... |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Thanks, but it would've been nice for you to just link without anyone asking.
That IS what others do. No? |
I mentioned where I got the info in the opening two posts. Is that not enough? |
I did a google search and looked around the state dept's site on passports; couldn't find it. Be nice to just click on a link. |
http://travel.state.gov/passport/services/stats/stats_890.html |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
"More Canadians have passports and travel than Americans."
But what exactly is the point of such assertions and why do only Canadians make them? |
Europeans make those assertions too, and my only guess is out of some sort of inferiority complex. I never got it myself. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: American Passport Holders.... |
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If a passport is for 5 years in US it means that around 39 million have passports. If it's a 10 year life then around 70 million.
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But aren't all (or nearly all) U.S. passports 10 years?
I wasn't familiar with 5 year passports. |
Five-year passports are issued to children under 16. All other passports have ten years validity now.
I believe that in the past there was a time when all passports had five years validity, but I don't remember when the change to ten years was made. My last two passports, issued in 1988 and 1998 have been ten-year ones. I believe the one I had before that in the late seventies/early eighties was a five year one, but can't be sure. This factor would have some impact on renewal rates and thus, on sundubuman's numbers in regard to the absolute number of passports out there. But this factor probably affects Canadian passport numbers as well. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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According to UK travel statistics, in 2004,
3.6 million Americans visited Britain, while some 740,000 Canadians did so.
http://www.visitbritain.org/ukindustry/ |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: |
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and from a website regarding Mexican inbound tourism
89.4 percent coming from the U.S. and 2.8 percent from Canada
wow, who knew Americans were more than 30 times more likely than Canadians to visit our southern NAFTA neighbor!
http://www.mexico.us/business.htm
I'm guessing the reverse is true for Cuba  |
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sundubuman
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Ok, look, you are just as bad as that Canadian who brought it up. You have a serious national-esteem problem (like that Canadian). And those are numbers, not percentages. Percentages mean more in this stupid debate of who travels more.
Finally, you are surprised that more Americans go to Mexico. Do you know how long it takes to drive to Mexico from Canada? I don't, but it isn't a short trip. Or the fact that many Americans have more reason to go (ie family). The fact that that surprises you surprises me.
(BTW, our southern NAFTA neighbour???)  |
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sundubuman
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
Ok, look, you are just as bad as that Canadian who brought it up. You have a serious national-esteem problem (like that Canadian). And those are numbers, not percentages. Percentages mean more in this stupid debate of who travels more.
Finally, you are surprised that more Americans go to Mexico. Do you know how long it takes to drive to Mexico from Canada? I don't, but it isn't a short trip. Or the fact that many Americans have more reason to go (ie family). The fact that that surprises you surprises me.
(BTW, our southern NAFTA neighbour???) |
No dude, I'm just trying to debunk another famous canadian slur against navel-gazing insular americans. and the statistics show that percentage wise, canadians are indeed more likely to visit europe, whereas americans are many manymore times likely to travel to south america.
there is little difference in the likelihood that citizens of the 2 countries would visit asia.
the vast majority of international travel among canadians is to the states.
just helping to give my fellow miguks some statistical ammo when and if this issue comes up over a pitcher of beer.  |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Ok ok...let's be nice people.
I love Canadians, so you guys have to love me back, right?
*ok, just kidding about the whole love thing*
*Or am I?* |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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well, Dave,
we all don't have the luck to be born in the city of love, the city of LaVerne and Shirley camaraderie, of the Fonzie-like love for all humanity, lubricated by Pabst Blue Ribbon while riding a Harley, head full of cheesy thoughts.......
as you do. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
Ok, look, you are just as bad as that Canadian who brought it up. You have a serious national-esteem problem (like that Canadian). And those are numbers, not percentages. Percentages mean more in this stupid debate of who travels more.
Finally, you are surprised that more Americans go to Mexico. Do you know how long it takes to drive to Mexico from Canada? I don't, but it isn't a short trip. Or the fact that many Americans have more reason to go (ie family). The fact that that surprises you surprises me.
(BTW, our southern NAFTA neighbour???) |
oh, and I don't believe this Candaian friend of mine had a "national-esteem problem".....
she actually BELIEVED what she was saying, in a matter-of-fact sort of way. She wasn't trying to score points, just stating the obvious (to canadians at least)
and the reason I started this thread was to set the record straight....with facts.....
that's why I posted lotsa numbers......get it?
It's the same as telling Koreans that foreigners in Korea are not in fact more likely to commit crimes than are Korean nationals,
....when you do so, you are performing a community service....consider this thread the same. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
Ok, look, you are just as bad as that Canadian who brought it up. You have a serious national-esteem problem (like that Canadian). And those are numbers, not percentages. Percentages mean more in this stupid debate of who travels more.
Finally, you are surprised that more Americans go to Mexico. Do you know how long it takes to drive to Mexico from Canada? I don't, but it isn't a short trip. Or the fact that many Americans have more reason to go (ie family). The fact that that surprises you surprises me.
(BTW, our southern NAFTA neighbour???) |
oh, and I don't believe this Candaian friend of mine had a "national-esteem problem".....
she actually BELIEVED what she was saying, in a matter-of-fact sort of way. She wasn't trying to score points, just stating the obvious (to canadians at least)
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Still, what is the reason they brought it up. Unless provoked (not saying you did), it must have been done for points over America. No one goes around saying random facts without there being a reason.
You are right about the thread, there is nothing wrong with it. I am just so used to you being so black or white and the past bit there has been some ugly anti-Canadianism on this site. Still, that is my problem. I apologize.
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and the reason I started this thread was to set the record straight....with facts.....
that's why I posted lotsa numbers......get it?
It's the same as telling Koreans that foreigners in Korea are not in fact more likely to commit crimes than are Korean nationals,
....when you do so, you are performing a community service....consider this thread the same. |
Ya, still, you know it's better not even debate with those people. Either change the subject and maybe save a friendship (or work relationship) or ignore them. They aren't worth it. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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true enough,
the issue came up while discussing the relatively high number of canadians in korea vis-a-vis americans in korea.....
it wasn't an argument/debate. this person actually believed what she was saying.
she made a very logical conclusion that there were more canadians than americans (proportionally) in korea BECAUSE (as she had been told) canadians are more worldly and 'international' than are americans....
i doubted her at the moment of the converstion, and decided to investigate the veracity of these claims later.
as i stated earlier, yes, canadians are more likely to have passports and travel to europe, but they are disproportionately unlikely to travel to places like south and central america.
and asian travel is more or less proportionate.
the american statistics break down oceania, middle east, and africa numbers, whereas the canadian stats lump all of these into 'other', so one can't draw any conclusions from that.
anyhow, let's hope more citizens of both countries manage to travel and enjoy other parts of our world- |
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