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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Silly Canadian, it wasn't Franklin. It was Patrick Henry. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
The UK is still a free and open society, although of course we should be concerned about threats to our freedoms if they do arise. But making comparisons to East Germany is ludicrous
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yes i know, i think those adverts are a bit 1984! i didnt post the doctored one in sincerity. You are right that we should be concerns about threats to our freedoms. Police shot another man, this time a muslim in forest gate last month. Notice the brown skin in the picture! 
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Do you mean the UK has a document like the American Bill Of Rights or the Canadian Charter, which the courts can use to overturn laws passed by the parliament that infringe upon the rights and freedoms of the citizens?
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The UK bill of rights doesnt have the same power of the US bill because it is not part of the constitution, there is no constitution, only constitution by legal precedent.
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Police shot another innocent muslim guy |
What do you mean 'another'? The guy they tragically killed was a Brazilian catholic.
Innocent? Well, that remains to be seen. Of course, since there are literally thousands of Jihadi sympathisers in our 'moderate' Islamic community, the police are bound to make some mistakes. Unfortunately, this will merely add to the Muslim persecution complex, which is constantly whipped up by irresponsible imams and 'community leaders'. Meanwhile, some 15 'British' Muslims have been arrested for attempting mass murder. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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"What do you mean 'another'? The guy they tragically killed was a Brazilian catholic. "
i know, ive edited it to make it better.
all i can say is that Moslems arent the cause of your problems........ |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| all i can say is that Moslems arent the cause of your problems........ |
They may not be the cause of my problems, but people of a Muslim persuasion are the cause of most terrorist threats. That is indisputable.
Are you British? If so, what is your opinion of the growing Islamic radicalism in our country? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm having a bacon club wrap for dinner and I am going to have abeer with it.
Then i will go to Mosque as Islam is a legitimate religion |
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RobinH
Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: Mid-bulk transport, standard radeon accelerator core, class code 03-K64--Firefly.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Franklin's Contributions to the Conference on February 17 (III) Fri, Feb 17, 1775 |
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Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death
March 23, 1775
By Patrick Henry
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the house. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the house is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at the truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the numbers of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received?
Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlement assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation.
There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength but irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Like I said, it was Patrick Henry. I know not what course other may take, but as for me, I think I'll have some ribs washed down with Carlsberg. P*ss off a Muslim-- Drink Carlsberg! ( or FAXE) |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Here's one especially for the 2 thus far patriotic "security" freaks 
Passengers Can Expect Double Screening
By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Beginning Friday, airline passengers will go through double screening to make sure they're not carrying liquids onto planes, the head of the airline industry's largest trade group said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_terror_plot_security
Any bets on how long this is going to go down hill?
Oh well, lots of drinks FOR SALE on the plane itself.
Don't forget to load up on your "duty free" alcohol, CIGARETTES & "non-toxic" perfumes either 
Leanna Diaz, of Palm Desert, Calif., left, uses her lipstick one last time before throwing it out as liquid containers are collected from passengers' carry-on bags at the Portland International Jetport, Thursday, Aug. 10, 2006, in Portland, Maine.
Heightened security measures quickly produced long lines at airport checkpoints as the government banned passengers from carrying nearly all liquids and gels aboard flights after a major terror plot was foiled in London.
The ban extended to toothpaste, makeup and suntan lotion.
(AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty) |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Milk or Cereal?
Dinner or a Movie? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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If Jeff Rense and his supporters came to power the result would be a fascist police state.
But they are not goiing to be allowed to come back. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly is your point here?
To put it another way: Precisely what conclusion are you seeking to draw, based on what premise?
You're simply all over the map. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
What exactly is your point here?
To put it another way: Precisely what conclusion are you seeking to draw, based on what premise?
You're simply all over the map. |
Your posts tell what you are a neo nazi bigot. Case closed.
Keep Jeff Rense supporters out of the US |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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All I know is that I'm gonna be pissed off when I get to heathrow and they tell me I can't have a book on the plane for and 11 hour journey.
If they've said they have everyone, then surely restrictions on hand luggage can be reduced. Ok, just stop people from taking on liquids, but books? Stupid people, you can't blow up a plane with a book! |
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