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Junior
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| The US ought to move its forces to Kurdistan. |
Interesting idea. As a precursor to Kurdish independence, or just because it would suffer less resistance there? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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The US ought to move its forces to Kurdistan.
Interesting idea. As a precursor to Kurdish independence, or just because it would suffer less resistance there?
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Wouldn't that be, for all intents and purposes, a withdrawl? Because it's in the other parts of Iraq that people are demanding the US leave. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Well maybe one could call it a withdrawal , but I would not consider it to be - cause the US would have reach in Iraq, and it would get the military bases it wants to project power. and it could protect its ally the Iraqi Kurds. ( The US could even build them up and provide them with armor and aircraft. )
It is an alternative to withdrawal. And it is a long term solution to the US situation in Iraq. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| The US ought to move its forces to Kurdistan. |
Interesting idea. As a precursor to Kurdish independence, or just because it would suffer less resistance there? |
Work for an Iraqi federation and the US forces would be protected there and then could be used to project power.
The Kurds could protect the US from gurrillas and the US could protect the Kurds from Iraqis hostile to them and Iran.
The other thing is that it would piss off and also frustrate the Insurgents the Mehdi army , and Al Qaeda.
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: |
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( The US could even build them up and provide them with armor and aircraft. )
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It'd be good to see an independent Kurdistan. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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That would be a lot for Turkey to accept but an Iraqi federation would leave the Kurds in good shape.
I would like to see an independent Kurdistan but I think it would be a hard thing to pull off. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| It always was exactly that. The dynamics and logic of the situation made going into Iraq the wrong move from the beginning. |
That's not what I'm saying- I agree that it clearly always was the wrong move to have gone into Iraq.
But there was a point where it looked like all sides might actually come to an agreement and allow the government to start rebuilding the country.
That window of opportunity has been shut. |
I understood what you were saying. It's just sad that it was allowed to happen because of nothing more than fearmongering.
Ah, well. We are already reaping what we have sown, and the worst is yet to come. |
I agree. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
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The US ought to move its forces to Kurdistan.
Interesting idea. As a precursor to Kurdish independence, or just because it would suffer less resistance there?
Work for an Iraqi federation and the US forces would be protected there and then could be used to project power.
The Kurds could protect the US from gurrillas and the US could protect the Kurds from Iraqis hostile to them and Iran.
The other thing is that it would piss off and also frustrate the Insurgents the Mehdi army , and Al Qaeda.
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But right now, we're being told that if the US leaves, the civil war will rage out of control, hundreds of thousands will die, etc.
If the US retreats to the Kurdish areas, doesn't that leave us with the same thing? No US troops in the insurgent hotbeds, so the civil war rages out of control. And if the US troops leave the Kurdish zone to attack the insurgnets elsewhere in Iraq, how is that different from the situation now? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Is this "Kurdish solution" something that's actually being floated around in foreign policy circles? Because reading about it on Dave's is the first I've heard about it.
I also wonder how hepped up the Kurds would be about being identified as Uncle Sam's "hosts"in the region. Could attract a lot of negative attention from the neighbors. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| I can see it now: US moves out. Iran moves in. Insurgency/civil war continues. Ha ha b+tch! It's yours now. |
Quote of the week.
Only problem with that is the Saudis freaking out because they have lost the only buffer they had between themselves and the World's only fundamentalist Shiia state.
Then it really will be 'all about the oil'.
The US will probably have to help the Saudis defend the long Iraq/Saudi border, further enraging Sunni fundies, etc.
There really is no good solution in the region, there isn't even a 'somewhat less shitty solution than all the others'. |
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Summer Wine
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A knot begins to form in my stomach exactly at 8 a.m., when I step into the small Fokker F-28 jet that will take me and 50 other passengers from Amman, Jordan, to Baghdad. I know what lies ahead: an hour's uneventful flying over unchanging desert, followed by the world's scariest landing--a steep, corkscrewing plunge into what used to be Saddam Hussein International Airport. Then an eight-mile drive into the city along what's known as the Highway of Death. I've made this trip more than 20 times since Royal Jordanian's civilian flights started three years ago, and you'd expect it would get easier. But the knot takes hold in my stomach every time.
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I am not 100% sure I would take the above situation to mean that there is no hope for the future.
I have a friend who in the 80's flew into Manila, Philippines and had to go through a similar experience, but with shelling against the hillsides being carried out prior to the landing to prevent communist rebels taking down the plane.
I went in in the 21st century and it was pretty relaxed.
I do believe it is getting worse in Iraq. I don't have the answers otherwise I would be making more money than I am now. Though nothing in the future is certain and unchangable. so lets wait and see before we see it as finished.
Though listening to certain responses to the recent Israeli/ Lebanon issue. I am not sure it would be in my interest if Iraq fell into complete civil war. Well at least not in the long run. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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But right now, we're being told that if the US leaves, the civil war will rage out of control, hundreds of thousands will die, etc.
If the US retreats to the Kurdish areas, doesn't that leave us with the same thing? No US troops in the insurgent hotbeds, so the civil war rages out of control. And if the US troops leave the Kurdish zone to attack the insurgnets elsewhere in Iraq, how is that different from the situation now? |
If the US goes to Kurdish areas the US will be in a position to influnce and help out. They could support Iraq ' army w/ airpower. Also using an oil spot strategy the could slowy make the area of saftey bigger.
and as I said t he US gets much of what the US the Went to Iraq for in the first place
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| Is this "Kurdish solution" something that's actually being floated around in foreign policy circles? Because reading about it on Dave's is the first I've heard about it. |
I have seen it on Stratfor and a few other places.
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| I also wonder how hepped up the Kurds would be about being identified as Uncle Sam's "hosts"in the region. Could attract a lot of negative attention from the neighbors. |
The Kurds would take it. Most of their neighbors like Syria and Iran , and parts of Iraq don't like them.
Turkey is the biggest problem but the the US has a lot of influence w/ Turkey.
The Kurds - the vast majority of them - don't share the typical mideast geo political view- and they are on bad terms w/ most of their neighbors anyway. I don't have any doubts that they would go for it - quite happily.
Again even though the Kurds share the same relgion they don't have any sympathies towards the typical mideast geo political view. And just as important they share the same enemies as the US does. |
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ddeubel
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| Again even though the Kurds share the same relgion they don't have any sympathies towards the typical mideast geo political view. And just as important they share the same enemies as the US does. |
Please tell that to those Kurds who've suffered near "genocide" at the hands of America's dear friend Turkey. I'm sure you are aware of this and just didn't think your statement through. The world is more complex than our assumptions and beliefs...
I would also caution those who have called for a Kurd nation to think of this........most of Kurdistan is within the borders of Turkey. So really America is saying, you can have self determination but just half of it and please also, don't mention atrocities unless they are Saddam related....we only want to hear what we want to hear....
Farcical. But western geopolitics..
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Please tell that to those Kurds who've suffered near "genocide" at the hands of America's dear friend Turkey. I'm sure you are aware of this and just didn't think your statement through. The world is more complex than our assumptions and beliefs... |
Oh you forget that Saddam was worse,. If you remember Kurds flee to Turkey- not the otherway around.
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| I would also caution those who have called for a Kurd nation to think of this........most of Kurdistan is within the borders of Turkey. So really America is saying, you can have self determination but just half of it and please also, don't mention atrocities unless they are Saddam related....we only want to hear what we want to hear.... |
See above Kurds flee to Turkey. Explain that?
Saddam was far worse to the Kurds than Turkey ever was.
An of course the interests of Bathists come last.
What Turkey wants ought to be considered . But the interests Bathists Khmeni supporters or Bin Laden followers ought not be considered . They will only use what they get to attack again. |
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Alias
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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According to VP Cheney "the insurgents are in their last throwes". That was about a year and a half ago so the insurgency should be over anytime now.  |
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