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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the arguments seem to be "you have to go after the employers of illegal immigrants if you want to make a difference" and this will apparently turn this huge glaring problem into sugar puffs and chocolate hearts. However, going after the people who rent to them is basically the same thing. You're taking away their support structure. If you're quarry goes to ground, don't leave them any ground to go too.
To me this is an impressive first step. It's a bit of a cop-out since if you're renting to illegals you're not that influential with politicians, so are easier to target then the companies that prey on illegals, but hopefully that will come next.
The excuse that they're doing the jobs that Americans won't due is crap. They're doing jobs that Americans won't do for slave wages.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
| The excuse that they're doing the jobs that Americans won't due is crap. They're doing jobs that Americans won't do for slave wages... |
Exactly.
This was Fox's argument, by the way. Most Latin Americans who I know continually cite it, thus selling themselves as a permanent underclass...
But this is not the wierdest thing they say. They also make arguments like this: Mexican nationals had been living in the U.S. Southwest for about three hundred years before the Americans illegally and violently took it from them, hurting them and their families for all time. They therefore believe that this is more their land than ours. This comes across so blatantly in a Spanish-language textbook I am working with right now that I can hardly believe my eyes, given it really romanticizes and praises Philip II's empire "where the sun never set," establishing Hispanic greatness in world affairs, while at the same time it attacks the U.S. for "imperialism"...
Let me state the irony of this and not just imply it: that they or their ancestors in fact did the same exact thing to the Aztecs, the Maya, and their predecessors does not seem to occur to them.
So they are certainly not righteous on this, or without bloody, imperialist hands, either.
In any case, whatever their arguments, they are merely looking to get into a society that actually functions, and I can hardly blame them for that. I think they should be welcomed in. I think we should start going bilingual in the Southwest -- officially, that is. But Mexicans and other Latino immigrants need to start by respecting our processes on entrance and immigration and work from there and stop crying about us not casting all laws and regulations aside simply because they come from political cultures that do not understand or respect such basic concepts as waiting in line... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Let me state the irony of this and not just imply it: that they or their ancestors in fact did the same exact thing to the Aztecs, the Maya, and their predecessors does not seem to occur to them.
So they are certainly not righteous on this, or without bloody, imperialist hands, either. |
To be fair, a majority of Mexicans are Mestizo (Wiki says 60%). |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
Let me state the irony of this and not just imply it: that they or their ancestors in fact did the same exact thing to the Aztecs, the Maya, and their predecessors does not seem to occur to them.
So they are certainly not righteous on this, or without bloody, imperialist hands, either. |
To be fair, a majority of Mexicans are Mestizo (Wiki says 60%). |
Of course. But even the Nahuas and the Maya had driven peoples and cultures out of Mesoamerica or subjected them to imperialism, too... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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This is ironic though:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html
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| The Mexican Constitution prohibits direct ownership by foreigners of real estate within 100 kilometers (about 62 miles) of any border, and within 50 kilometers (about 31 miles) of any coastline. |
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