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Will an Asian pop song ever hit it big in the West?
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:


Anything foreign doesn't really fare well in the US, though. (Don't know about other countries.)


That statement is so historically myopic as to beggar belief.

See this site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_by_British_artists_which_reached_number_one_on_the_Hot_100_%28US%29

And this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_by_European_artists_which_reached_number_one_on_the_Hot_100_%28US%29

And that's just number ones, lest we talk about The Beatles, U2, the Stones, the Kinks, the Who, the Clash, etc.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should clarify, as at the time I was thinking more about movies, and I was letting it influence my take on music. Yes, I've heard of the British invasion, punk music, and techno. But I was thinking Asian artists would probably occupy just a niche. Bollywood is huge, but outside of being sampled in a few rap songs in 2004, has Indian music taken off? "Crouching Tiger" and "Hero" were number one movies, but their success in the theatres were rather small compared to the attention they got in Asia (obviously). And with Hero, the release was delayed several years, b/c nobody wanted to spend money bringing it out (which is why the theatrical release and new DVDs say "Quentin Tarantino Presents:"). And in spite of a few Japanese horror films, has this genre really solidified itself in the US? And when they present the Oscar for best foreign-language film, who (outside of a few movie buffs) have seen or heard of any of them?

All of which led me to believe Asian acts would find popularity only in small circles.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a light note, that song called "I'm a Barbie Girl" may remind some of many Korean songs. It makes one thing those Korean songs one hears in the bars which encourages you either to drink more or to drink your alcoholic beverage with haste.

I wanted to ask other posters about that song called "Deep Forest". Wasn't that song quite foreign? I am not sure if the singer was Asian.
If a song that foreign could make it, then why not an Asian song?

Anyway, if our lyrics, in so many songs, sound worse than Konglish, in terms of having any real meaning that can stand alone regardless of the singer, than the next logical step is simply to listen to Asian songs because you enjoy the beat and the rhythm. After all, hip hop is not really about the lyrics as much as the beat and the rhythm. The lyrics and the personalizing of it by the singer are what make the songs these days more than the words. At least, that is impression.

Don't forget people in North America, at least, will listen to operas in Italian, French, and German, and they would be less likely to translate it into English like their British counterparts. So why not the same when it comes to pop music?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Smee"]I should clarify, as at the time I was thinking more about movies, and I was letting it influence my take on music. Yes, I've heard of the British invasion, punk music, and techno. But I was thinking Asian artists would probably occupy just a niche. Bollywood is huge, but outside of being sampled in a few rap songs in 2004, has Indian music taken off? "Crouching Tiger" and "Hero" were number one movies, but their success in the theatres were rather small compared to the attention they got in Asia (obviously). And with Hero, the release was delayed several years, b/c nobody wanted to spend money bringing it out (which is why the theatrical release and new DVDs say "Quentin Tarantino Presents:"). And in spite of a few Japanese horror films, has this genre really solidified itself in the US? And when they present the Oscar for best foreign-language film, who (outside of a few movie buffs) have seen or heard of any of them?

You mentioned Indian music. I think that in some parts of the East Coast a fusion of Indian music and mainstream hip hop has emerged. I am not sure if it has gained much coin outside the confines of the non-South Asians of the East Coast. I am sure there are some who enjoy it.
The addition of some Indian beats to rap music involves assimilating some of the sounds. Most American music has been influenced by African American culture including the way many of the Caucasian singers sing. They often sing in a way that is not part of their parents' dialect.

However, jumping over to another language that is completely different is another thing. I believe the Indian music that I mentioned above gained some popularity in Britain but not really in the U.S. and Canada except in some of the clubs in the East and West Coasts. I think the influence from various Asian cultures is gradually accruing.
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
You may be right. It may be only a matter of time until the SECOND Asian pop song becomes popular in the west.



From Wikipedia:

"Sukiyaki", known in Japan as "Ue o muite arukō" (上を向いて歩こう "looking up while walking") is a Japanese song that was performed by Japanese crooner Kyu Sakamoto (坂本九, Sakamoto Kyū), and written by Rokusuke Ei and Hachidai Nakamura. It is best known under its alternative title "Sukiyaki" in English-speaking parts of the world. The song reached the top of the sales charts in the United States in 1963, and was the only Japanese language song to do so.
You must be as old as I. I was just about to go there. Now I've got the ear-worm; can't get it out of my head. Was quite a catchy tune, actually. Of course, in the era of Bobby Vee, Bobby Vinton, Bobby Rydell, and pre-Beatles, anything remotely different was bound to score. Remember the nun's song, 'Dominique'? American pop was a wasteland back then. Small wonder that the British Invasion took hold.
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coolsage



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada doesn't count because, in the words of Goldie Hawn: 'It's like, attached.' And all Korean rap and hip-hop singers should be put out of their fake misery soon.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ekuboko wrote:
Did Hikaru Utada ever make a dent in the States?


She had that crossover song "Easy Breezy" that recieved about a week of airplay in the US. Came out in Oct. '04.

Generally, I like Utada's stuff and have downloaded some of her Japanese songs.


Quote:

I still remember the ways that you touched me
Now I know I don't mean anything to you
You're easy breezy and I'm Japanesey
Soon you'll mean exactly nothing to me
And that means?

You look stupid, telling all your friends how you got the best of me
I intended to share the pleasure only
Now I look stupid, we're living in a world with a lot of pressure
It's quite unneeded to put more pressure on me

You came and went and left my house like a breeze just passing by
Hello goodbye you left a note saying it twas nice stopping by
I should have never ever let you inside

I still remember the ways that you touched me
Now I know I don't mean anything to you
You're easy breezey and I'm Japanesey
Soon you'll mean exactly nothing to me
Does that mean anything to you?

Easy breezy, do you whistle to hide that you're feeling lonely ??
How do I breathe with all this pressure on me?
Easy breezy, when you wretsle you know that you hurt somebody
How do I breathe with all this pressure on me?

You came and went and left my house like a breeze just passing by
Konnichiwa sayonara it twas nice of you to stop by
Would it amuse you if I told you that I

*I still remember the ways that you touched me
Now I know I don't mean anything to you
You're easy breezy and I'm Japanesey
Soon you'll mean exactly nothing to me
Does that mean anything to you?

* repeat

You're easy breezy and I'm Japanesey
She's got a new microphone...

She doesn't need you anymore..
She's got a new microphone...
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolsage wrote:
Canada doesn't count because, in the words of Goldie Hawn: 'It's like, attached.' And all Korean rap and hip-hop singers should be put out of their fake misery soon.


Fake!! You mean the boys in Compton aren't stopping mid song to make the big "hands-over-head-heart" shape thing? Shocked Shocked
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pastis



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're easy breezy and I'm Japanesey

That's the one I meant! ...damn, I can't stand that song (J-girlfriend used to like it though)... what the hell's up with "Japanesey" anyway?... lame.
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