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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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 Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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There are limits, and paying for tatoos is crossing one of them. They should be afforded the same rights as another person to the maximum incarceration can afford. I can't get free tattoos, so they shouldn't. If they get a degree, it should be funded the same as me, through loans or scholarships. It's really that simple. While I am not surprised at the answers on here, it still makes me wonder.
Also, lower crime means something before prison policies is working, not the prison policies themselves. And teaching them how do tattoos is about the stupidest thing I have heard in awhile. If you are going to retrain them (good idea), pick something better than that. |
How many get degrees while in prison in Canada?
It's easy for some of us to say that they should have to pay for their education just like you did, but it's not that simple. Some inmates have made some wrong choices and others have come from deprived circumstances. It is probably much cheaper to give an inmate an education in hopes that it contributes to his or her rehabilitation. The public should be demanding that persons who are incarcerated should be given opportunities to change the course of their lives. If you want them to pay for their education just like you did, then allow them to take out a student loan,(which they can't) and pay them market wages (which they don't) for the work that they do in the prisons.
If one or two persons contract HIV or some sort of hep because of inmates using dirty needles, the cost on the heath system would be about the same as the $700,000.
I do agree that money could be better spent, but I think if money is to be saved, they can look at other areas.
What about barbers? I think you'll find that some barbers get their training in prisons and hair cuts are free. Sure, it's not the same as getting free tatoos, but inmates are getting benefits of training. A good tatto artists makes a pretty good living.
Let's just hope that they don't start teaching locksmithing.  |
One, I SAID that they should be able to get student loans (or even scholarships) to fund it. They should be the exact same as everyone else. It should not be free.
Second, the money is too much. $700000 and that is after stopping the program, imagine if it went farther. You bleeding hearts really want to stop crime, have that money put into social services, and get to these kids before they turn into criminals. That would be much more efficient use of money than tattoo parlours. Rehabilitation is a good idea. It helps enormously. But tattoo parlours are not rehabilitation. And for the "it will go underground" part. So has drugs. Should we start handing out sterilized needles? Pure drugs instead of dangerous tainted ones? And seriously, why not just throw in some whores? It would seriously get rid of a lot of the illegal, underground rape that goes on in prison (stopping the spread of HIV and disease too).
I still think there are much better professions to train them for than tattoo artists. |
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cosmicgirlie
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| supernick wrote: |
How many get degrees while in prison in Canada?
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I can think of one notable inmate who got a psych degree--any takers...our infamous lady who was recently released. Yes that's right folks my tax paying dollars went on making sure Miss Karla could get her Psych degree!!
But I don't hate on her.
I'm not a big supporter of the tough on crime agenda. I understand the need for the tattoo parlours. Like others have said before it's a health cost analysis. I'd rather spend the little amount of $700 000 a year for a tatoo parlour then the ohhhhh millions if not billions of dollars it would cost to treat and medicate an HIV or Hep B or C person.
As for it being a training project. I can see that being beneficial. I'd rather have a skilled person released from prision then some one who was holed up in a small cell with no sense of hope. People who have an ounce success carry it with them. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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In my opinion, the state paying for the tats of those in jail is not a good thing, but not as bad as those in jail using unclean and potentially unsafe means to tattoo themselves. I'd rather the state not pay for it but rather provide a clean and safe environment where inmates can have it done for a minimal fee.
It is very similar to the "clean needle" issue and others. The idea of giving free needles to addicts may seem like facilitation and excessive 'bleeding heart' policy, but it makes sense, if a goal is reduced occurrences of hep, hiv and the like. And in Canada, where h/c costs are socialized, it makes good fiscal sense to spend money to reduce costs (needles are cheaper than anti-retroviral [spelling?] medication).
As far as education goes, inmates getting degrees seems quite pointless (unless they are going to move to Korea and teach at a hakwon) as they won't find good work. General arts and sciences degrees do NOT lead to good jobs in Canada and those in prison are unlikely to be able to handle the advanced maths necessary for degrees that do lead to good jobs (engineering, finance, accounting etc) Apprenticeship programs for in-demand trades like welding, instrumentation, plumbing and others would be much more reasonable. And, it could be provided at a discount cost as there is a public-good in having these men find their ways into vocations in which they will both fit in and be able to find and keep jobs that pay well. In Alberta (where I am now) very, very, very well.
Public policy has to be treated seriously. We can't not do something because we deem it to be "bad" when the outcome of not doing it is "worse". Drug policy is the final proof that ideological public policy destroys millions of lives. |
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