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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| A hiding* is what you really need, and for some reason satori, I never thought of you as being a pro-hiding guy |
I'm a complex individual! Not a cookie cutter liberal. I got some roaring hidings from my Dad with a peice of bamboo growing up, and I'm very glad I did. I think people are becoming soft, that's what I think.
I do think we need to deal with the infant death rate though, for sure. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| I got some roaring hidings from my Dad with a peice of bamboo growing up, and I'm very glad I did. |
Beaten with a bamboo stick? How zen. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| It hurt like buggery too, I don't mean buggery in the sexual sense though, I have no idea whether that hurts or not, honest, I swear! |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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If parents can smack kids and if teachers should be able to smack students, why not go the whole hog and allow customers to smack cheeky shop assistants, or husbands to smack lippy wives, or employers to smack uppity employees.
We got whacked as kids; while it didn't do us too much harm, the smacking was more about mum venting her frustrations, rather than guiding the kids into right action. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Will the Govt. take the time to try and educate people as to the limits and also the other ways of dealing with children or will they simply lump this on the population and wait until it hits a court case before explaining the limits?
One quote in the article said that this was a gold mine for lawyers. They might actually be correct, expecially if allows over zealous individuals to prosecute even the minor stuff.
I liked the quote about how the law would allow you to grab hold of your child and remove him from the store if he was making a noise and this wouldn't be considered as violence.
Well thank you, though will the legislation take into account those children who don't accept the current non violent ways of control. I was one who took a police warning about being sent to a childs prison before I pulled my head down a few inches.
Though I am curious as to whether a lowering of the bar towards specific actions may have been more warranted and a general education program aimed at the majority may have been more warranted then this overall legislation. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I liked the quote about how the law would allow you to grab hold of your child and remove him from the store if he was making a noise and this wouldn't be considered as violence.
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The current laws already allow this, in my opinion there is no need for any more laws to be brought in. Instead they should properly target the ones doing all the damage - do you really think that all the morons who shake their babies and bash their kids to bits so that they end up in Starship hospital or worse will really stop what they're doing to reflect "Gosh, there's a new law, maybe I'll ease up a bit".
They definitely need to put more effort into prosecuting 'bystanders' though, all those gutless wonders who knew child abuse was going on but did nothing about it.
All the new proposed law will do is affect those decent parents who are able to discipline their kids in a reasonable manner, without resorting to violence (and no I do not consider a smack or two on the bum to be 'violence' in and of itself). |
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rednblack
Joined: 12 Jun 2006
Location: In a quiet place
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Some of you guys crack me up. My kids are now in there 20s and I was always of the mindset 'never spank your kids'. This is just not a real situation. What do you do when all reason has no effect.?What do you do when you put a child in the bedroom for time out and they kick down the door? What do when a child kicks you in the nuts because they are so angry? Yeah, don't get me wrong, I was a good father, but I had to resort to a smack on the arse in the end. I'd like to know how many people who are debating thiss issue do actually have children. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| If parents can smack kids and if teachers should be able to smack students, why not go the whole hog and allow customers to smack cheeky shop assistants, or husbands to smack lippy wives, or employers to smack uppity employees. |
Why not? Simple, because they are different relationships with different power dynamics and expectations. OK? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Well this thread has proven one thing. Kiwis with opposing views can discuss a political matter without resorting to verbal abuse and trollisms.
Compared to other discussions, it kinda puts our educated people in a good light.
Sorry the ability is lacking on some of the other topics. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Well this thread has proven one thing. Kiwis with opposing views can discuss a political matter without resorting to verbal abuse and trollisms. |
It's only because we're all related to each other in various ways. For example, satori is my cousin and my grandfather. |
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