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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Yeah, those darn not reading Iraqis. Good point.
Though, when your only experience with an American is having one shoot at you, in your direction or even in your neighborhood, perhaps our dear illiterate and ignorantly mistrusting Iraqi can be given the benefit of the doubt. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: A Certain Arrogance |
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| BJWD wrote: |
Geeze, I wonder why...
Americans distrust muslims because muslims should be distrusted. Or, would we trust moderate Nazis?
(here come adventurer with a lecture about how the muslims are of varied ethnicity etc.. Save your breath. i get it. But, it doesn't matter. Islam is an ideological virus, a cancer.)
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You may be wrong. Read on:
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
George Michael Evica's "A Certain Arrogance" - Reviewed by RDM*, November 22, 2006
Reviewer: Robert D. Morningstar "Robert D. Morningstar" (New York City) - See all my reviews
George Michael Evica's
"A Certain Arrogance"
A Book Review
By Robert D. Morningstar
November 22, 2006
Oh, how terrible and barbarous are those Islamic Fundamentalists! How devious and demonic appear those Mullahs and Ayatollahs shown to us on CNN and Fox News each day and night, manipulating and perverting the religious teachings of a "religion of peace" to indoctrinate young minds towards self-destruction, suicide bombing and terrorism. How perverse of them it is to use religion as an excuse to attain political and military objectives. And, Oh, how much more moral are we than they! We, the self-righteous, morally and ethically "superior" Westerners who eschew such debased use of religious dogma as propaganda and mass mind-control tactics in the indoctrination of our own citizens.
"Not so!" might say Professor George Michael Evica, an outstanding and well-respected expert of JFK Assassination and US Intelligence History, through his riveting new book, entitled "A Certain Arrogance." In "A Certain Arrogance" (Iron Sights Press, 2006), Professor Evica reveals the history of the recruitment and indoctrination of US intelligence assets (spies/assassins) for OSS and CIA beginning during World War II when, through the work of OSS members Wild Bill Donovan and Allan Dulles, religious institutions, particularly, the Unitarian Church and the Quaker movement, were used as "fronts" in the selection and culling of candidates for espionage and special operations by America's intelligences services, OSS and CIA, domestically and abroad.
From OSS World War II operations in Switzerland to the Congo of the 1950s and 1960s to Patrice Lamumba University in Moscow, Evica takes the reader on a meticulously documented tour of international intrigues involved in the training of intelligence operatives through their education and indoctrination at various institutions run by religious organizations. Foremost among these in American intelligence gathering and special operations were the Unitarian Church and the Quakers. However, Evica shows us that these are not the same Quakers we think of when we remember the warmth and quiet courage of Gary Cooper and "Friendly Persuasion."
Professor Evica begins his chronicle of covert operations with the recruitment, education and indoctrination of Lee Harvey Oswald as began his peregrinations in 1958-59 toward his defection to Russia by passing through Switzerland's Albert Schweitzer College, where the CIA and FBI maintained contacts and operatives.
Evica chronicles the historic role of the Rockefeller clan in funding "missionary activities throughout the world" for intelligence gathering and suppression of undesirable activist social movements beginning in the early 188o's to gather intelligence information in order to quash American Indian activities in the West. Evica states:
"As early as 1883, the Rockefellers had `used [Christian] missionaries to gather intelligence about [Native American] insurgencies in the West or to discourage them.'
In the United States and later throughout Central and South America, Family Rockefeller power was linked to Christian missionary work."
The Rockefeller method of using Christian military activities in conjunction with financial power proved to be so successful in consolidating the Rockefeller Empire in the Americas that it was then employed in the Far East, in China, Korea, Philippines and Taiwan. By 1957, the Rockefellers had enlisted American Fundamentalist Revivalism as a national power base and put their support behind the evangelist, Billy Graham.
Evica's book takes the reader back and forth across continents and oceans both to the Far East, Korea and Nationalist Taiwan, and to Europe, but always after short side trips, Evica returns the travels of Lee Harvey Oswald as he made his way inevitably to Dallas, Texas and the site of the JFK Assassination.
Ruth and Michael Paine
A Quaker & A Unitarian
Lee Oswald's Dallas "Handlers"
Throughout his meandering journey, Oswald repeated encounters operatives of Unitarian, Quaker and Southern Baptist Fundamentalist missionary activities. For example, Oswald's "friends" and hosts in Dallas, Michael and Ruth Paine, who took Marina Oswald under her wing, were associated with both the Unitarian and the Quaker missionary movements. Evica suggests (as this writer has often asserted) that Michael Paine, "a physical Oswald double," may have acted in that capacity to bring attention in a negative way to Oswald's activities by setting up "political confrontations" at Southern Methodist University on Sundays after attending as "a communicant at a `nearby' Unitarian Church."
The religious intrigues surrounding the life and death of Lee Harvey Oswald, as detailed and documented by Evica in this masterful work, shed a disturbing light on the events in Dallas on November 22, 1963 and suggest an almost direct link to current history-altering and world-shaping national and international events in which our nation is today engaged (although "embroiled" may be a more appropriate term).
The importance of this work is self-evident and shows that the JFK Assassination is as important today as on the day it happened, exactly 43 years ago today (I chose to compose on this day intentionally for this reason). George Michael Evica's close friend and research associate for many years, Charles Drago, writes in his eloquent introduction to "A Certain Arrogance":
"A Certain Arrogance stands as Professor Evica's response to the unavoidable question:
How do we define and effect justice in the wake of the world-historic tragedy in Dallas?
Clearly he understands that, at this late date, being content merely to identify and, if possible, prosecute the conspiracy's facilitators and mechanics would amount to hollow acts of vengeance. Cleaning and closing the wound while leaving the disease to spread is simply not an option." Mr. Drago goes on to make analogy between the JFK Assassination and a cancer that continues to spread through our government and contaminates and taints our history.
From this short and eloquent diagnosis, current events clearly demonstrate that "the cancer" which infected government policy and national politics that day in Dallas, November 22nd, 1963 still persists, continues to grow in virulence and has created an all too patient but sick nation. The question remains "What is the remedy that will rid us of the cancer but not kill the patient?" This reviewer's response is:
The remedy that will heal the nation and stop the cancer from spreading any farther is achieving "Justice for JFK."
I recommend "A Certain Arrogance" to all those good citizens who are interested in recovering our national security from the Machiavellian manipulation of misguided patriots and religious fanatics who at the core are not dissimilar in credo, strategy and tactics from those same terrorists from whom they pretend to defend us. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Why did you post that? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Why did YOU post this?
[qoute]muslims, the world over, leave death and destruction in their path. Their religious brethren butcher 3000 people on American soil and it is Americans who deserve scorn and smug righteous indignation for perhaps being suspecting of those who want to kill them. [/qoute]
Why? Read the first paragraph of the review. And then you may want to do a little research as to what the root causes of terrorism are.
How does JFK in particular fit into this?
Senator John Kennedy, in 1956, supported Algerian independence. It is possible , although not certain, that if Kennedy had lived to implement his balanced approach to Middle Eastern affairs , the world may not be in the situation it is in. No sane person condones terrorism, but it is incumbent on an educated person to look into why this is happening. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Why did you post that? |
I think he was showing that it is not only radical Islam that uses religion to indoctrinate people into doing bad things... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| I think he was... |
I read his post and then his follow-up -- the one that somehow links all of this to JFK's assassination.
Then it all made sense to me: he is one of those posters who simply does not make any sense. He has no point to make, only rhetorical questions whose answers are obvious to him but an enigma to the rest of us.
If I am wrong, then what is your point, Regicide? Can you not just tell us in plain language? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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I think he was showing that it is not only radical Islam that uses religion to indoctrinate people into doing bad things...[/quote]
Is Satori's take on this simple enough for you? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
| Is Satori's take on this simple enough for you? |
No. But, in any case, why should we need to get Satori to interpret, translate, or decipher your posts? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| and liberal-American attack industry |
 Projecting again, are we? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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"No. But, in any case, why should we need to get Satori to interpret, translate, or decipher your posts?"
The connection is clearly given in the first paragraph of the review. That is all one would need to do to understand my point.
I don't think there should be a "we" in your question, however, as I believe everyone else figured it out. ( who read the first paragraph of the article)
As I believe you also understand the connection, what is your point of all this? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: |
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So now we are talking about the JFK killing. Christ, you are all so bloody predicable. Maybe it is all the nefarious Jooooos too.
Islam, and all the problems of, is the product of the CIA. Of course, the very real HISTORICAL FACT that Islam is behaving now exactly the same as it did in the past leaves your silly point moot (the only difference, of course, is that now technology allows them to kill, conquer and convert more efficiently). But that will not dissuade people like Satori or whoever to cling onto a totally absurd position because it makes them feel better about their ideas. They are lazy and unwilling to challenge their ideas so they will hold on to any stupid piece of (un)supporting evidence.
And yaya, projecting what? That I'm a liberal, or that I'm an attack dog? On the one hand, I am a liberal, but not in the American meaning of the word. I've said this many times. So, you must mean the other. I'm projecting onto others the label of "attack dog". I went after the idea of the op, and you call me an attack dog without touching my argument. Maybe you are projecting?
In the end, nobody has addressed my original point. The OP posted some pretentious, uppity and oh-so-typical of Adventurer junk about Americans being suspicious of Islam, and I say to that DAMN RIGHT. They should be. We all should be.
Nope. Lets go have a talk about JFK and how the evil koran was written by the CIA. Maybe you can make a "documentary" of it and post it on youtube, and subsequently link to aforementioned documentary as evidence of your original position. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| In the end, nobody has addressed my original point. The OP posted some pretentious, uppity and oh-so-typical of Adventurer junk about Americans being suspicious of Islam, and I say to that DAMN RIGHT. They should be. We all should be |
And go lock your door and hide under your bed...enough of you!!!
DD
I won't address your nefarious arguements and will take off the kid gloves I've so far slapped with in this forum, regarding those that pretend to wish and make of a whole religion an enemy.....
You my friend, are someone who really NEEDS an enemy. They give you meaning. They clear your head and make you alive. Ah! I never lived so much said Satre in the Flies, regarding Paris being bombed.....You can have your damn scenario of disaster and fear. I will walk the streets and speak to each man as a man and each woman as a man and each child as someone who cares........I will not divide the world into pieces and wipe my brow with fear each time I want my cake and eat it to. Away with you!!!!
Sell your snake medicine elsewhere....No tears for you. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Why do I need an enemy, dd? Because I think an idea that directly calls to the harm and/or subjecation of non-believers is bad? Shall I think that it is good?
Give me one good reason why I should not be suspicious of an idea that directly calls for my conversion/death/subjection? One good reason?
And you can save the kid gloves for your babysitting gig. I don't need them. Feel free to write me an anti-BJWD song. You can sing it when you are standing in front of BK in Itaewon on Sarturday afternoons singing about America and Jesus.
Thats right. I called you out. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| I will walk the streets and speak to each man as a man and each woman as a man |
Haven't been getting much lately, huh? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| You my friend, are someone who really NEEDS an enemy. They give you meaning. They clear your head and make you alive. Ah! I never lived so much said Satre in the Flies, regarding Paris being bombed.....You can have your damn scenario of disaster and fear. I will walk the streets and speak to each man as a man and each woman as a man and each child as someone who cares........I will not divide the world into pieces and wipe my brow with fear each time I want my cake and eat it to. Away with you!!!! |
These words would be better reserved for Al Qaeda, which you've defended before, rather than someone who posts ideas you find distasteful.
I don't know which I find more repugnant, your pompous posts or your earlier stated belief that Al Qaeda is a scapegoat... |
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