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Pligganease
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
I remember the catholic run hospitals in Windsor, Ontario had no pediatrics wards because they wouldn't perform abortions. Government heathcare proscribed a pediatrics ward must offer the full range of legal services or none.
In a public healthcare system, you either have to provide all the legal services, regardless of morals, or suck it up and don't earn public money offering some services and not offering services you're morally uncomfy with. |
Well, that's Canada, where the healthcare industry is completely regulated by the government. And, they chose to not have pediatric wards rather than perform abortions. Don't assert that Canadian logic is normal logic. 
It's perfectly acceptable to operate a business in any field and not offer services that are debatedly contrary to the mission statement of the owner. Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath state "Do no harm?" While I disagree that a fetus is a life, I can't say that people who think that way are illogical. Therefore, by not performing abortions the doctors are still "Doing no harm." |
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Big_Bird
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Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Coming, myself, from a more secular Europe |
I'm a little fuzzy on when the Church of England became disestablished. Could you remind me? |
The Church of England has little influence on the day to day lives of the English. Few people attend church anymore. You'll find that most British aren't very religious. The ratio of Americans to British who are religious is significantly higher. You also have a much higher ratio of religious nutters running around in your Christian population (we persecuted all our religious nuts in the old days, and they all ran off to the Americas to be your founding fathers ), and they have extraordinary political power in the US. Your president is a prime example of an overly religious crackpot with too much say in what goes on in your day to day life. In Britain their power if fairly negligible. No-one takes much notice of what they say. Our religious loonies tend to come mostly from the muslim population these days.
BTW, I don't mind normal religious people. I have a lot of respect for those who practice their religion quietly. It's the extreme fanatical ones who try inflicting their doctrine on others that I object to, whether they be muslim, moonie or catholic. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| But what about your point regarding multicult? All done? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
I remember the catholic run hospitals in Windsor, Ontario had no pediatrics wards because they wouldn't perform abortions. Government heathcare proscribed a pediatrics ward must offer the full range of legal services or none.
In a public healthcare system, you either have to provide all the legal services, regardless of morals, or suck it up and don't earn public money offering some services and not offering services you're morally uncomfy with. |
Well, that's Canada, where the healthcare industry is completely regulated by the government. And, they chose to not have pediatric wards rather than perform abortions. Don't assert that Canadian logic is normal logic.
It's perfectly acceptable to operate a business in any field and not offer services that are debatedly contrary to the mission statement of the owner. Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath state "Do no harm?" While I disagree that a fetus is a life, I can't say that people who think that way are illogical. Therefore, by not performing abortions the doctors are still "Doing no harm." |
A private business, even if it's a hospital, should have every right to not supply whatever service it sees fit. If the business takes public money, then it has to abide by whatever human rights laws that nation maintains.
For example, the Boy Scouts won't allow homosexuals to be scout masters simply because they are homosexual. The boy scouts claims to be a private organization. However reprehensible, a private organization should have the right to be a holes. If the boy scouts accept public money (which they do, via the free use of public property), then they have to be open to all, regardless of sex, religion, orientation, etc. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| But what about your point regarding multicult? All done? |
I just frivolously threw that in to assist with your own private perculiar form of titillation, BJWD. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
I remember the catholic run hospitals in Windsor, Ontario had no pediatrics wards because they wouldn't perform abortions. Government heathcare proscribed a pediatrics ward must offer the full range of legal services or none.
In a public healthcare system, you either have to provide all the legal services, regardless of morals, or suck it up and don't earn public money offering some services and not offering services you're morally uncomfy with. |
Well, that's Canada, where the healthcare industry is completely regulated by the government. And, they chose to not have pediatric wards rather than perform abortions. Don't assert that Canadian logic is normal logic.
It's perfectly acceptable to operate a business in any field and not offer services that are debatedly contrary to the mission statement of the owner. Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath state "Do no harm?" While I disagree that a fetus is a life, I can't say that people who think that way are illogical. Therefore, by not performing abortions the doctors are still "Doing no harm." |
A private business, even if it's a hospital, should have every right to not supply whatever service it sees fit. If the business takes public money, then it has to abide by whatever human rights laws that nation maintains.
For example, the Boy Scouts won't allow homosexuals to be scout masters simply because they are homosexual. The boy scouts claims to be a private organization. However reprehensible, a private organization should have the right to be a holes. If the boy scouts accept public money (which they do, via the free use of public property), then they have to be open to all, regardless of sex, religion, orientation, etc. |
As far as I understand, those hospitals in question are (or at least were) public hospitals, and still recieve public funding (and this is part of the public uproar in Australia right now). |
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