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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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 Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Look.
A film like this makes me understand the values of Osama Bin Ladin.
If that's what the West is coming to, then God help us all.
Why don't we all get on welfare and start shooting dope? |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Another Hollywood Atrocity! |
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Look. I ain't a conservative guy. I just call them like I see them.
Hollywood just released another film. It's called Hounddog. This film depicts a 12-year-old actress being raped. The actresses' name is Dakota Fanning. I saw it tonight on Hannity and Combes.
I find that utterly reprehensible.
What happened to the creativity of film-makers?
In 1931, one of the best films in history was made. It was called M and directed by Fritz Lang. Its leading man was Peter Lorre.
This film took on a lot of very tough issues about child abuse. But the director didn't have to show that kind of crap in all its ugliness.
He hinted at it. Anyone who sees the film knows what's going on. But he doesn't display it in graphic detail.
I'm not a socially conservative cat. I love drinking; I love naked women; I love good banter.
Hell, one could even call me evil. Sometimes Satan comes in the middle of the night to ask me for advice.
But why does Hollywood have to sink to this disgusting level? |
Otis, you`re so pathetic it would be funny if it weren`t so sad... |
You know, a guy could show up here a couple times a week and trip up all over your posts.
Get a life. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Yes, because Asians really love and respect the sanctity of young girl's right to be innocent.
You are joking right?
However I may feel about this film, does not justify the fact that you are dumping on the west while ignoring the plethora of same or worse examples of this type of stuff in Asia. IF this stuff bothers you so much, then you should be the biggest lampooner against "asian values" and not be so myopic as to let isolated incidents skew your whole worldview. |
I wouldn't read his comments about China taking over the world and teaching us all a lesson too closely. I believe he mentions China simply because it's the default big bad menace on the horizon today, just as he'd have said the Soviet Union, the Arabs or the Japanese in the 1970s or 1980s. In any case, Otis makes such a trollish spectacle of himself on this board, you have to wonder if there's any point in analysing his views.
One thing about M I'd like to note, however. Lorre's character Hans Beckert is certainly a child murderer. An insane, psychopathic, monstrous, serial killer of children. But I don't know where in the film it is clearly hinted that he's also a child molester or rapist. Obviously, the crime of murdering children is horrific enough, and I'm not suggesting otherwise. But in your OP, Otis, you go on about the graphic depictions of child rape in this new movie, and it seems to me that M isn't the best comparison: a modern film that apparently depicts child rape in graphic detail vs. an old film about, among several things, a serial killer of children.
Again, not only is rape not depicted in M, I'm not aware that it's even hinted at. Of course, people today will want to assume that if the victim is a girl and the murderer is a man, then automatically it was sexual and rape was committed at some point because... well, that's just a sign of the times. BTW, M is a great classic, and my avatar says so too. But for all it's artistic merit, it is not and wasn't meant to be some kind of proto-PC attempt to "deal with a sensitive issue in a mature and socially conscious way" or whatever spin one might want to put on it. It was just spine-chilling, nail-biting, profit-seeking entertainment. And arguably Fritz Lang's greatest film. |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Watch the japanese film "Kite". Then you'll no longer welcome the Asian take over. In Kite, the protagonist, a 14 year old girl assassin is repeatedly, graphicly raped by her father, and ALL is shown porn style. This is considered a classic of Japanese cinema. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Anyone else dig that movie, the bad lieutennant? Classic scene of a nun getting raped to hybrid Led Zepplin/Rap music. Intense and graphic.
Lipstick was a putrid movie.
We should remember that (good) actors are artists, and if Ms. Fanning and her parents are ok with the scene, perhaps there is a thought that needs to be provoked.
It's not real. But more sick stuff than that exists. I've seen the real stuff on the internet and it did make me appreciate innoncence and want to protect it,. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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is otis the only guy in the world who can argue against depicting a 12 year old getting raped and somehow do it in a way that makes him seem more demented?
At the end of the day, we all have to watch this film in order to really judge it. To do otherwise puts you in the same category as those book burning rubes who keep trying to ban The Catcher in the Rye.
and, this is neither here nor there, but I'm reminded of this story
http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1126831.html?menu=entertainment.celebrities |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| I predict the film will be a hit in theaters in Korea. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| You'd have to be a complete and utter moron ( hello Otis ) to think that showing something in a movie equals condoning it. I haven't seen the film but a reasonable guess would suggest that the depiction is more along the lines of condemning and showing how horrific the act is. Anyone who thinks this represents some kind of "decline in moral values" should really just end themselves now for the benefit of society. You've got to love how conservative America positively eats up the violence on tv and film, celebrates it even, but where sex is concerned suddenly it's "Oh woe is me, what is society coming to today? What is happening to our values!??" |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| So true... Violence is entertainment in this day and age. It is socially acceptable. A movie like, "Hannibal," which features a killer that commits horrible acts, and, "Saw," which features the same, generates very little public response and is rewarded by generating huge profits. |
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Svetlana
Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!? *mock outrage* |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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I love Zombie movies.
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| lynched by white hunters, AFTER |
No, he was shot. You could interpret that they shot a zombie or they shot a Negro because they wanted and could do so and get away with it under the the circumstances.
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In the morning, a posse arrives at the house and disposes of the undead swarming at the scene. Hearing the commotion, Ben cautiously emerges from the cellar into the living room and peers outside through a broken window. A posse member mistakes him for one of the horde and shoots him in the head. The film ends as his body is carried from the house and burned with the rest of the corpses.
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While George Romero denies he hired Duane Jones simply because he was black, reviewer Mark Deming notes that "the grim fate of Duane Jones, the sole heroic figure and only African-American, had added resonance with the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X fresh in the minds of most Americans."[57][58] Stein adds, "In this first-ever subversive horror movie, the resourceful black hero survives the zombies only to be killed by a redneck posse."[55] The deaths of Ben, Barbra and the supporting cast offered audiences an uncomfortable, nihilistic glimpse unusual for the genre.[59]
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Romero isn't Mexican.
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George A. Romero never set out to become a Hollywood figure however, by all indications, he was very successful. The director of the ground-breaking "Dead" tetra-logy was born February 4, 1940 in New York City. He grew up there until attending the renowned Carnegie-Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
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The romance aspect is marginal but Romero did use race to raise tensions as do modern TV dramas. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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I have a very serious and violent attitude towards child sexual abuse. Many years ago my daughter aged about 7 was "used" by a 15 year old male baby sitter. She immediately told her mother, who went to the boys parents.
I found out about it 15-20 years later. I asked my wife why she didn't tell me. She asked waht I would have done and i said I would have killed him. She said I knew that and we need a husand and father that isn't in jail.
All in all my daughter came through the experience very well. My wife told me that the boys father had nearly killed him and that the boy had spent the next 15 years lloking over his shoulder.
Wise woman. I would have killed him. Still might. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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I have a very serious and violent attitude towards child sexual abuse. Many years ago my daughter aged about 7 was "used" by a 15 year old male baby sitter. She immediately told her mother, who went to the boys parents.
I found out about it 15-20 years later. I asked my wife why she didn't tell me. She asked waht I would have done and i said I would have killed him. She said I knew that and we need a husand and father that isn't in jail.
All in all my daughter came through the experience very well. My wife told me that the boys father had nearly killed him and that the boy had spent the next 15 years lloking over his shoulder.
Wise woman. I would have killed him. Still might. |
Holy crap! Any father would want to kill that sonofabitch, like in Once Were Warriors - a movie that I loathed for all the reasons otis mentions. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: |
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But what makes me sad is that we are such a bunch of relatavists that the idea of a 12-year-old actress getting raped on film is ok.
What happened to the world?
You certainly wouldn't see this kind of filth in the Far East.
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Nah, they'd show
this kind of filth instead |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: re: |
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Well, actually I do feel uncomfortable about that too. But again, I don't know how the director and crew went about it. They may have consulted psychologists and what have you, and done it very ethically. It may be that the scene looks sufficiently traumatic, but that the actress was very comfortable doing the scene. I don't know.
Still, she might feel very uncomfortable when she watched the scene later.
Janet Leigh had no problem doing the shower scene in Psycho. It was only after she saw the film that she had a phobia of taking showers. |
Janet Leigh was a grown woman.
This child is twelve. |
From your response, I don't think you understood my point. If anything I was conceding that even if the child was comfortable with shooting the scene, seeing herself in the film itself might still be traumatic. Janet Leigh's experience was given as an example. |
It's not that. I understood you.
But what makes me sad is that we are such a bunch of relatavists that the idea of a 12-year-old actress getting raped on film is ok.
What happened to the world?
You certainly wouldn't see this kind of filth in the Far East.
Maybe the Chinese should take over the world. God knows I'm losing faith in my own country day by day. |
Perhaps your response is exactly what the director wanted to produce.
Peace |
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