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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| strip them of their licenses. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Not one to defend the BBC but it was Channel 4.
Big Brother should be taken of the air, but not for the reasons protesters in India may give.
Don't know about wearing Hajib in schools, I'm all for fancy dress though.
Never bothered me when I went to school with Muslims, we were more worried about the Irish blowing things up. Didn't stop kids wearing Ireland shirts during PE.
Was BB racist, well I've not seen it, can't be bothered to download it, so I leave it at that. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate to agree with the OP, but he's right. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate to agree with the OP, but he's right. |
If you hate agreeing with him, maybe it's because this is merely another case of him being wrong. He's got such a great streak going (why you hate agreeing?), why would you start now? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate to agree with the OP, but he's right. |
If you hate agreeing with him, maybe it's because this is merely another case of him being wrong. He's got such a great streak going (why you hate agreeing?), why would you start now? |
Because #1, I don't think the U.S. should be in the business of importing Somalis and #2, the ones who do win the lottery of their lives and wind up in the U.S. should be grateful and pipe down for awhile instead of immediately trying to recreate the kind of society they escaped from. If they are offended by alcohol, women's clothing, bans on female genital mutilation, or whatever, they ought to get their worthless asses back to where they came from. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Then you've got taxi drivers in Minneapolis |
Why is it that Steve's rant is so much different than the article huffdaddy posted? Is Steve spinning again? He certainly is on that particular topic. Is he in the other examples he refers to in his OP? It is beginning to look like he is always spinning.
Politicians have always spun things to get you to see things their way. Within limits, that is acceptable. What are the limits? I guess plausibility. But at some point, spinning just becomes deliberate distortion. Lies. In my evaluation, Steve went beyond spinning in both the Condi/Boxer thread and again here about the Somali taxi drivers.
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| he forwarded a fatwa, or religious edict, that the MAC had received. |
Several months ago I found and posted a thing reporting that a fatwa can be bought for as little as $25 (I think it was) because any imam can issue one. Most Moslems ignore most fatwas because they are not issued by imams of proper standing in the religious community. It looks like this particular fatwa has the same value as a prize in a Cracker Jack box. |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe we should let the immigrants stay, but deport the natives who allow and even encourage them not to assimilate? |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: ARE YOU A VICTIM OF 3RD WORLD IMMIGRANT DOUBLE STANDARDS |
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| Is anyone else irritated to the point of being sick and tired of all the mainstream media attention given to the supposed plight of recent immigrants "of color" to developed nations, especially Europe and North America? |
No. It's just TV.
But then again, I don't feel threatened by them and need to rationalize it like you and Dogbert do, either. So I figure that's why I'm not feeling your pain. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: *beep* |
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| Some will undoubtedly accuse me of racist sentiments and summarily dismiss my complaint. |
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| Once again a perfect example of a bigot in a suit.........hiding behind all his own cultural paraphenalia and insecurity. |
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| We should not, get down from the high and right ground of individual freedom and roll in the mud of where many other countries play. |
Are you saying we should "get down from the high and right ground of individual freedom and roll in the mud of where many other countries play?"
If not, you might want to get rid of that comma. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: ARE YOU A VICTIM OF 3RD WORLD IMMIGRANT DOUBLE STANDARDS |
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| twg wrote: |
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| Is anyone else irritated to the point of being sick and tired of all the mainstream media attention given to the supposed plight of recent immigrants "of color" to developed nations, especially Europe and North America? |
No. It's just TV.
But then again, I don't feel threatened by them and need to rationalize it like you and Dogbert do, either. So I figure that's why I'm not feeling your pain. |
That's because you come from a place that is not subject to haphazard government social engineering.
Not to mention that you, basically, have given up on life.
Anyway, I am "threatened" because my government has decided without regard for public feeling to import vast numbers of people who are decidedly unprepared for life in American society. It is small wonder that problems ensue upon their arrival.
Frankly, there is no reason to import Hmong, Sudanese, Somalians, etc. in the millions, creating new problems, when we are not even capable of addressing the domestic problems and issues we alreday face. America needs a breather from third-world immigration and that's a fact. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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dogbert:
Well, I must say I'm very surprised. Not so much because you agree with my sentiments but because of how you defend your stance. Politics does indeed make strange bedfellows, figurately speaking of course.
What it all comes down to is this:
When my grandfather immigrated from northern Europe in the early part of the last century, he expected and accepted making changes in his daily habits and thinking to fit in. Assimilation was considered the norm, not because he felt he needed to "sell out" to get along but because he wanted to be identified as an American. He still spoke his native language at home and carried on many of the customs of his homeland, for which he was always proud.
It would never have occurred to him to try to push the envelope against the prevailing cultural norms. He was so grateful for a new start in life, besides.
But nowadays many (not all) recent 3rd World immigrants (including many Mexicans) feel entitled to have their cake and eat it too. They demand the best of everything. And what's sad is they diminish services to legal Mexican immigrants. I've seen firsthand when I taught one summer at USC how the public schools became overcrowded, how the bilingual teachers were stretched thin and how the lines ran long at the health clinics all because of the illegal influx.
Come for the economic gain, fine, but don't expect us to bend over backwards to accommodate your cultural quirks. That's not the game anyone except some toady appeasers on this forum are willing to do, and understandably so. And if they don't like it, then get out.
Voice dissent if they wish, annoying and galling as it is, but don't go disrupting services and filing legal claims right and left to give the ACLU something to do. That's where I'm coming from. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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The solution:
http://www.startribune.com/local/11585696.html
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Taxi drivers who refuse a customer, except for safety reasons, must go to the end of the taxi line.
They face a potential three-hour wait for the next fare. Muslim drivers asked for an exemption, and officials of the Metropolitan Airports Commission proposed color-coded lights on cab roofs to indicate whether the driver would accept a passenger carrying alcohol.
But last week, the MAC announced that it would not adopt the new policy. Officials cited an overwhelmingly negative public reaction, among other reasons. "I've had over 500 e-mails and calls, and not one supported the change," said Patrick Hogan, MAC spokesman. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: ARE YOU A VICTIM OF 3RD WORLD IMMIGRANT DOUBLE STANDARDS |
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| my government has decided without regard for public feeling to import vast numbers of people who are decidedly unprepared for life in American society. |
Yeah, you got a point.
It does seem silly to import people when the role of being unprepared for American society is filled up by guys like you and Stevie. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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I dunno, Steve.
This seems pretty one-sided.
Gopher? |
Now let's be fair--we suspect that Gopher and Manner of Speaking are the same person. But there is only one McGarrett. Thank God.
Speaking of God--Stevie owns this forum; didn't you know that. If he wants to rant--he can rant.
Why? Because he says so. Thats why. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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The solution:
http://www.startribune.com/local/11585696.html
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Taxi drivers who refuse a customer, except for safety reasons, must go to the end of the taxi line.
They face a potential three-hour wait for the next fare. Muslim drivers asked for an exemption, and officials of the Metropolitan Airports Commission proposed color-coded lights on cab roofs to indicathttp://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/posting.php?mode=quote&p=1512242
Korean Job Discussion Forums :: Post a replye whether the driver would accept a passenger carrying alcohol.
But last week, the MAC announced that it would not adopt the new policy. Officials cited an overwhelmingly negative public reaction, among other reasons. "I've had over 500 e-mails and calls, and not one supported the change," said Patrick Hogan, MAC spokesman. |
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Dispute over airport breakroom leads to lawsuit
January 30th, 2008 @ 10:00pm
Sarah Dallof reporting
A shuttle driver has filed a complaint with the FAA against the Salt Lake International Airport, saying officials allowed thousands of religious services to be conducted on public property. Muslim cab drivers began praying in a small airport building used as a break room after 9-11, because, the airport says, they became targets, with people yelling at them and throwing things.
Last week we brought you the story of a Muslim cab driver at the airport who says he was assaulted when he tried to pray inside the building. Tonight the man charged in that case speaks out about his case against the airport.
Shuttle driver Jeff Brueningsen took photos inside the building he and other drivers share at the airport. "It was definitely an Islamic center." He said it didn't feel right, so he filed a complaint with the FAA against the airport.
"In proper, polite company you never bring up politics or religion. And they introduced both instantly into what's supposed to be a professional, secular transportation-aviation facility," Brueningsen said.
In the complaint he details claims that he was harassed by a group of Muslim drivers who he says have threatened to kill him. It came to a head earlier this month when Brueningsen says Mohammed Alahmed and other drivers attacked him.
"They were going like this, using their fingers, saying, �You F-ing Jew, you don't want us to pray here,'" Brueningsen says.
Alahmed says it was the other way around, that Brueningsen tried to stop him from praying. "He say the F word against me, and I didn't do anything. And he grabbed me from my shirt and hit me with his hand," Alahmed said.
Airport police investigated and charged only Brueningsen with assault. Shortly after, the airport closed the building, and Muslim drivers began praying outside.
Airport and city officials are meeting to decide what to do with the building. While they do that, Brueningsen isn't allowed to work on airport property. |
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2579039
This is a very common situation. At George Mason a multi faith "prayer room" was taken over and turned into a mosque. What lessons can Europe learn from this? To what extent is plurality possible when one end must dominate? |
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