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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about religious interpretations of the term. For other uses, see Arya (disambiguation).

Ārya is a Sanskrit (आर्य) and Avestan word used by Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jains, and has a variety of positive meanings, usually in religious contexts. It is not to be confused with the derived English adjective "Aryan", which in its socio-linguistic meaning refers to Indo-Iranians regardless of religion or spirituality ... CONT'D ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya

OVATE ARYA
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twg



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
How do you like your little cave twg?

Probably more comfortable than your tinfoil hat.

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i simply can't believe how some people are so stupid when it comes to mindlessly parroting words like anti "Semite"
& Aryan-ism.

People aren't stupid, they are using the words according to their commonly known usage. Like how "gay" means homosexual now instead of some Victorian era drunk.

Oh well, life is a drag. Get over it.

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No better than cheaply programmed drones.

On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?

Hate to break it to you, drone, but none of your views are earth-shattering truths. In fact, given your posting history, you do nothing but parrot the latest half-thought-out conspiracy nonsense that comes down the pike.

Using the allegory: You're someone who shouts out, "Hey, look at my shadows! They're more real than yours!"
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
igotthisguitar wrote:
How do you like your little cave twg?

Probably more comfortable than your tinfoil hat.
Laughing Wink

twg wrote:
Hate to break it to you, drone, but none of your views are earth-shattering truths. In fact, given your posting history, you do nothing but parrot the latest half-thought-out conspiracy nonsense that comes down the pike.

Using the allegory: You're someone who shouts out, "Hey, look at my shadows! They're more real than yours!"


Easy on the hyperbole cowboy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco_Buddhism

Greco-Buddhism
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The True Aryan Messiah


The Buddha, in Greco-Buddhist style, 1st-2nd century CE, Gandhara. (Standing Buddha (Tokyo National Museum)).

History
Timeline of Buddhism
Buddhist councils

Foundations
Four Noble Truths
Noble Eightfold Path
The Five Precepts
Nirvāṇa � Three Jewels

Key Concepts
Three marks of existence
Skandha � Cosmology � Dharma
Saṃsāra � Rebirth � Shunyata
Pratitya-samutpada � Karma

Major Figures
Gautama Buddha
Disciples � Nag-ar-juna
Guru Rinpoche � Bodhidharma

Practices and Attainment
Buddhahood � Bodhisattva
Four Stages of Enlightenment
Paramis � Meditation � Laity

Regions
Southeast Asia � East Asia
India � Sri Lanka � Tibet
Western Countries

Schools
Theravāda � Mahāyāna
Vajrayāna � Early schools
Pali Canon � Mahayana Sutras
Tibetan Canon

Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelled Graeco-Buddhism, is the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed over a period of close to 800 years in Central Asia in the area corresponding to modern-day Afghanistan and Pakistan, between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE.

Greco-Buddhism influenced the artistic (and, possibly, conceptual) development of Buddhism, and in particular Mahayana Buddhism, before it was adopted by Central and Northeastern Asia from the 1st century CE, ultimately spreading to China, Korea and Japan.
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twg



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Easy on the hyperbole cowboy.

Funny one to talk, drone.

Anyway, anti-semitism and Aryianism have come to mean dillholes in bomber-jackets and those who share their worldview. If that makes you unhappy you have two choices:

1) Make sure you don't share the world views of dillholes in bomber jackets.

2) Find a new name not soiled by dillholes in bomber jackets
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a full-time Hare Krishna devotee regularly attending classes I learned that "Aryan culture" meant a spiritually progressive society that followed the four varnas (social divisions) and four ashramas (spiritual divisions) The swastika originally symbolized those divisions (and its use by Hitler was perverse...)
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contrarian



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been reading igotthisguitar in his various postings for a while. This is my first response.

The git part is correct. That is the offspring of a cockroach.

I have wondered if their was any conspiracy that he didn't believe in/

I understand that Korean tinfoil is more pervious that good old N/A stiff. We should get him a better quality.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
When I was a full-time Hare Krishna devotee regularly attending classes I learned that "Aryan culture" meant a spiritually progressive society that followed the four varnas (social divisions) and four ashramas (spiritual divisions) The swastika originally symbolized those divisions (and its use by Hitler was perverse...)


We have a winner !!!

Well, at least your understanding is a lot closer to the truth than some of these other lame attempts to "illuminate" Wink

BUDDHA, DHARMA SANGHA ...



http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IGTG,

You've been wearing your tin foil hat outside in a lightning storm again, haven't you?
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
IGTG,

You've been wearing your tin foil hat outside in a lightning storm again, haven't you?


Huh?

Not sure what you're getting at other than to distract & seek to belittle, however, just so you're aware:

Jews can be Aryans Wink
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kimchi story



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a simple-minded Canadian, I have a particular image that comes to mind when a person says 'Aryanism': it's of the great R.G. Haliburton addressing the Royal Geographical Society in 1871, a speech in which he declared that the new Canada would be populated by both French and English - both races being decendants of the "Aryan tribes" - to create in the "true north" a prefect species of people. A pleasant way of saying, to quote Conrad, "exterminate the savages".

I include Haliburtons actual words in quotes as a reminder to Canadians that the "true north strong and free" has a quiet history that is married to quite a vicious ideology. Haliburton was part of a short lived right wing Liberal movement called Canada First that lasted only two years but has resonated in Canadian ideology ever since.

I quite strongly agree with the bias of op on this one, if not the tone - the Aryan myth is a 19th/20th century evil in the hands of western hegemonies (oddly enough, the Canada Firsters and the inner circle of the Third Reich each chose to refer to themselves as the 'Twelve Apostles").

While I can't stand seeing wiki used as a reliable source, the points raised piqued my interest. So I went looking and found this:



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The myth was developed in Germany during the middle of the nineteenth century by many philologists and literati. Its spread in England and France, and further in America, was greatly promoted by F. Max Muller, a German philologist who became professor of comparative philology in Oxford University. In his lectures before the Royal Institution, in 1861 and 1863, on the Science of Language (shortly published under that title) Muller employed the term "Aryan" for the Indo-European family of languages, and insisted that the various peoples speaking the languages of that family must have had a common ancestry. Somewhat chastened by the critical attacks of anthropologists, archaeologists, and the more enlightened philologists, Muller, in 1888, explicitly retracted his doctrine and admitted emphatically that language affinities are not evidence for racial relationships. By this time, however, the impetus which Muller's endorsement had given to the Aryan myth had carried it so far that his retraction could not undo the damage.

Scientific Monthly (Vol. 59, No. 4, pp 296-300) in October of 1944


Not really news, but fun to think about with a cold one, after wrapping up a pretty successful winter camp.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Kimchi ...

You offer some valuable insight.

The real problem here is that there are in fact ( at least ) TWO types of "Aryan" ISM.

1) RACIAL

2) PHILO-SOPH-I-CAL

As you correctly stated, the racial doctrine emerged over the last 100 or so odd years, while the philosophical has been around for THOUSANDS Idea

Hitler & Co. knew this quite well, hence the straw man ANTI-thesis, Swastikas and all.
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kimchi story



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, #1 I'm pretty familiar with.

#2 is an area I have wondered about but never studied.

Thanks for giving some fuel to that train of thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problemo. Think you can handle the truth? Chew on this ...

Greco-Buddhism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Greco Buddhism)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco_Buddhism

Arya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about religious interpretations of the term. For other uses, see Arya (disambiguation).

Ārya is a Sanskrit (आर्य) and Avestan word used by Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jains, and has
a variety of positive meanings, usually in religious contexts.

It is "not to be confused" with the derived English adjective "Aryan", which in its socio-linguistic meaning
refers to Indo-Iranians regardless of religion or spirituality ... CONT'D ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya

OVATE ARYA
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kimchi story



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I found some good stuff today on khyber.org - which is where I found the quote in my last post. But it was kind of a sideline to the day as I was actually trying to figure out Grimalkin's aphorism. Winter camp is over so I'm benchwarming and I think tomorrow will be Arya day.

Thanks again.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi story wrote:
Yeah, I found some good stuff today on khyber.org - which is where I found the quote in my last post. But it was kind of a sideline to the day as I was actually trying to figure out Grimalkin's aphorism. Winter camp is over so I'm benchwarming and I think tomorrow will be Arya day.

Thanks again.


My pleasure.

Did you "clarify" a few things?

Thoughts, comments?

Check this out ...

Michael Tsarion - Irish Origins Part 1
The West to East Movement of Civilization,
Land Bridges & Age of Catastrophe

August 2, 2007

Michael Tsarion joins us to talk about the West to East Movement of the Elements of the Civilization, the connecting Land Bridges and the importance of History.

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Topics Discussed: Michael's Experiences in Ireland, Jim Fitzpatrick, Geomancy & Earth Energies, Ancient Hills and Monuments, Churches Positioned on Ancient Sites, Arthurian Legends (the Irish Version), Correlation between Egypt and Ireland, Egypt's Oldest Art Discovered: 15.000 Years Old, Parrot Feathers & Coca Leaves Found in Egypt, Hierakonpolis (Nekhen), Ireland - Past and Present, Lost Land Bridges of Britain and Scandinavia, Ulf Erlingsson, The Aryans & The Druids, Andrew Power, The Deluge, The Cataclysms, Sea Level Rising, The Storegga Tsunami Around 6100 BC, "Dogger Bank" or "Dogger Island", Tribes of Wizards, Builders of the Megalithic Sites, Why isn't the West to East Movement Recognized? Man-Made Bridge between India and Sri Lanka, Why is History Important? Personal "Immunity", The Evil of Rome, The War on Consciousness, "Aryan" Not a Racial Title, The Aquarian Age, The Age of Revealing and much, much more.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/08aug/RICR-070802.html
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