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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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Semantics. You are defending the idea we are safer because of Iraq. That stance is wrong on the face of it. |
Yeah. Secretaries in NYC office buildings are safer. Yeah people who want to put their lives on the line and serve in the military less so. I'm not saying anything is good in that situation. The reality is those who wish to strike the USA have big targets closer to their home now, courtesy of Iraq. They can move among the population, unlike parts of the USA.
Seriously. Get a huge clue. |
It is you who needs the clue. our repeated statement that America is/Americans are safer is jsut *beep*. That an attack hasn't occurred means almost nothing. What means something is the cost of keeping it from happening. How is more than 3000 American soldiers and somewhere betwen 1 - 800 American contractors being killed safe for "Americans?" Eh?
I ask, how many Americans feel safer traveling abroad? Not one, I can almost guarantee. How many Canadians and other Caucasian non-Americans feel safer abroad or in their own countries? Few, if any. Like being mistaken for American and harrassed or worse, folks?
We are much less safe from our own government, which is far, far worse than being in danger from radical Islamists.
You are arguing just to argue, and doing so poorly. |
Basically you need to get your head out of your ass. This is not the first time you've been told that, I'm certain. Go back. Read what I wrote. Try to understand what I said. I'm done trying to explain what I think everyone else understands as my obvious point. |
I got your "obvious" point. It was, as stated, simplistic. Far better orators than I state the same. Go do some reading. Your argument is akin to the Emperor's New Clothes. It means NOTHING that attacks haven't been successful on U.S. soil.
In fact, I wonder what the number of ATTEMPTS looks like compared to pre-Iraq numbers.
Since you have cared to keep repeating it in the dazed belief you are saying something of import and we mere mortals just did't get it, I have continued to point out the argument is fallacious and downright foolish.
Now, if you'd care to stop stating that America is safer because we are being killed in Iraq and not at home, I'd be happy to stop smiting you upside the head. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I don't quite get the logic of being safer at home because of the war in Iraq.
Sure the average Mohhamed is going to go to Iraq instead of trying to sneak into the US but I don't imagine the hard core Al-Qaeda types ( you know the guys who took down the world trade centre? ) sitting in a cave saying "geez guys that was a spectacular attack, let's NOT try it again". |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Now, if you'd care to stop stating that America is safer because we are being killed in Iraq and not at home, I'd be happy to stop smiting you upside the head. |
Sarcasm does truly work best when the idiots don't get it. Owned.
But lets think for a moment. If you want to reduce the USA's influence in the middle east, a bit of the ol' chin music, what would you do? You're not going to defeat America in America. But Vietnam was a good example. So launch an attack on the very heart of America. Of course America is going to invade. Iraq might have been a bonus. But surely America was going to invade Afghanistan. Now that you have all those American troops there (lets use Iraq), you can defeat America in your backyard. Americans make lousy occupiers. Americans don't win the hearts and minds of anyone. Even if their hearts are into it initially, you present them a situation where they're never sure if a local is a happy local or he's going to shoot you in the head. The GIs will turn on the people they're there to support. They did it in 'nam.
You can defeat America in Iraq. Why waste your time trying to defeat them in America itself? When America pulls out of Iraq with its tail tucked between its legs, like 'nam, it will be very hesitant to get involved for a long time in future.
There are a million easy and obvious ways to create a lot of death in the USA. Park a truck loaded with bombs on the departures ramp of a couple major airports. You'd shut down air travel. We'd now have to search every car entering an airport 2 miles out... Set up snipers in major cities... Why hasn't there been one since 9/11? Is the Bush government doing such an excellent job? You really want to say something good about the Bush government? A new major attack on America would stoke up the resolve. Forget the surge. It would be all out after that. Why risk that when you already have America on the ropes in Iraq?
But how does that play for your average jihad bent muslim? If you defeat the greatest army on the face of the earth in your holy land, well, that pretty much proves your god is top dog and they will follow you in any damn crusade after.
Just because sickle cell protects you from malaria doesn't mean it's a great thing. Iraq is America's sickle cell.
What part of this are you having a hard time grasping? |
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