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JeJuJitsu
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How many times do the Japs have to apologize? Really, I'd like to see a number. Or should it just be every time a Jap meets a Korean, he should make it part of his greeting?
"Hi. I;m Hiro. Sorry for all of the war atrocities, and for keeping your room salons in business during the war. How are you today?"
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Koreans lining up dead dogs� heads on the ground. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: Comfort Women |
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Jejujitsu:
Unlike Germany, Japan has NEVER officially acknowleged its war crimes, or ever offered compensation.
The Nanjing Massacre museum in China has a pertinent & prominent sign in English. "Forgive, but not Forget".
And within Japan itself, there is a small but vocal minority pressing for an accurate historical account to be introduced in Japanese public schools, instead of the current whitewashed version.
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: |
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JeJuJitsu:
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| How many times do the Japs have to apologize? Really, I'd like to see a number. Or should it just be every time a Jap meets a Korean, he should make it part of his greeting? |
Uh, this isn't about apologizing for the past (although more could have been done by way of formal ceremony). This is about current remarks by current leaders of Japan which offend, insult, and hurt Chinese and Koreans and Filipinos and Thais and Vietnamese and Burmese and Malay to the bone. Got it, buddy? |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Comfort Women |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
Jejujitsu:
Unlike Germany, Japan has NEVER officially acknowleged its war crimes, or ever offered compensation.
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Never? Ever? Either? |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
How many times do the Japs have to apologize? Really, I'd like to see a number. Or should it just be every time a Jap meets a Korean, he should make it part of his greeting?
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They are DENYING it. Id say that a denial of it cancels out all the apologies. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Jinju wrote:
There were never any apologies from the Japanese Government in an official capacity, only from some Japanese individuals. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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JeJuJitsu:
Ignorance is excusable; willful ignorance is not. Get the picture? |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: Comfort Women |
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From Wikipedia, (continuing on from a list of reasons why court cases by surviving comfort women cannot be heard):
"However, in 1992, the historian Yoshimi Yoshiaki discovered incriminating documents in the archives of Japan's Defense Agency indicating that the military was directly involved in running the brothels (by, for example, selecting the agents who recruited). [15] When Yoshimi's findings were published in the Japanese media on January 12, 1993, they caused a sensation and forced the government, represented by Chief Cabinet Secretary, Kato Koichi, to acknowledge some of the facts the same day. On January 17, Prime minister Kiichi Miyazawa presented formal apologies for the suffering of the victims during a trip to South Korea. On July 6 and August 4, the Japanese governments issued two statements by which it recognized that "Comfort stations were operated in response to the request of the military of the day", that "The Japanese military was directly or indirectly involved in the establishment and management of the comfort stations and the transfer of the women" and that the women "were recruited in many cases against their own will through coaxing and coercion".[16] Since then, Japan's official position has been one of admitting "moral but not legal" responsibility."
And then Abe opened his mouth in 2007. The formal apology to Korea by Miyazawa was not in any official capacity. I'm not aware if Japan has ever apologised to any of the other countries, particularly China.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
And expressing regret & remorse, are not the same as an official apology, accepting FULL reponsibility. The word 'sorry' only appears 3 times in the following list, & even then, in a carefully worded way so that there is no legal liability or responsibility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_War_Apology_Statements_Issued_by_Japan
Can anyone remember what precipitated the anti-Japanese riots in China & Korea, in 2004 or 2005? |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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chrisJ2:
Great archive work.
But if the Japanese leadership has an ounce of sensitivity and humanitarian regard they would accept the testimony of countless former "comfort women" in their courts. After all, how many elderly East Asian women would step forward to talk about their past sexual experiences in public and mischaracterize it just for the sake of notoriety or compensation? And opposition Japanese legislators at large know this very well but remain silent, cowards that they evidently are. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Chew on this awhile, all you Japan apologists on this thread:
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Soldier confirms wartime sex slavery
By HIROKO TABUCHI
The Associated Press for The Japan Times March 4, 2007
Yasuji Kaneko, 87, still remembers the screams of the countless women he raped in China as a foot soldier in the Imperial Japanese Army in World War II. Yasuji Kaneko, a foot soldier in the Imperial Japanese Army during World War II, speaks at his home in Tokyo about countless women he raped in China as a soldier. Some were teenagers from the Korean Peninsula serving as sex slaves in military-run brothels. Others were women in villages he and his comrades pillaged as they battled in eastern China. "They cried out, but it didn't matter to us whether the women lived or died," Kaneko said in an interview at his Tokyo home. "We were the Emperor's soldiers. Whether in military brothels or in the villages, we raped without reluctance." Japan's forced prostitution of some 200,000 women in military brothels in the 1930s and '40s has long constituted one of the most horrifying chapters of its wartime rampage across Asia. The top government spokesman was finally forced to acknowledge wrongdoing in 1993. Now the government is questioning whether the apology was needed. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday publicly denied women were forced into the military brothels in conquered lands, boosting renewed efforts by rightwing politicians who claim the women involved were professional prostitutes rather than victims of abuse. "There was no evidence to prove there was coercion as initially suggested," Abe told reporters. "That largely changes what constitutes the definition of coercion, and we have to take it from there." The debate is heating up just as a private fund set up to compensate some of the victims is about to expire at the end of March amid accusations it was only a cover for the government to avoid taking responsibility. The government has rejected most compensation claims, saying they were settled by postwar treaties. Victims are outraged and are pressing ahead with their demands for a full government apology rather than the 1993 statement of remorse by a spokesman. "The Japanese government must not run from its responsibilities," said Lee Yong Soo, 78, who said she was taken as a 14-year-old from Daegu, Korea, by Japanese soldiers in 1944 to work as a sex slave in Taiwan. "I want them to apologize. To admit that they took me away, when I was a little girl, to be a sex slave. To admit that history." The issue is not limited to Japan. Last month, the U.S. House of Representatives held hearings on a resolution that urges the government of Japan to "apologize for and acknowledge" the military's use of sex slaves during the war. The sex slaves issue has also sparked tensions between Japan and its neighbors, who accuse Tokyo of trying to whitewash wartime atrocities. Historians say that up to 200,000 women, mainly from the Korean Peninsula and China, were forced to have sex with Japanese soldiers in military brothels as so-called "comfort women." Many more were raped at gunpoint as Tokyo's troops rampaged through the region. After decades of denial, incriminating defense documents discovered in 1992 forced the government to acknowledge that the military government ran brothels populated by women forcibly taken from their homes, and to offer an apology the following year. The Asian Women's Fund, created in 1995 by the government but independently run and funded by private donations, has provided a way for Japan to compensate former sex slaves without offering official government payments. Many women have rejected the fund, calling for a direct government apology -- approved by the Diet -- and compensation funded directly by Tokyo. For rightists, however, Japan's apology went too far. Just hours before Abe spoke, a group of ruling Liberal Democratic Party lawmakers met to prepare a proposal that urges the government to water down parts of the 1993 apology and deny direct military involvement. "Some say it is useful to compare the brothels to college cafeterias run by private companies, who recruit their own staff, procure foodstuffs, and set prices," said Nariaki Nakayama, chairman of the group of 120 lawmakers, of which Abe is a member. "And where there's demand, businesses crop up . . . but to say women were forced by the Japanese military into service is off the mark," he said. "This issue must be reconsidered, based on truth . . . for the sake of Japanese honor." Though rightwingers are unapologetic, actual participants say the assertions are far from the truth. "The brothels were run by the military. There's no question about that," Kaneko said, adding that he was once ordered to guard sex slaves being circulated around military posts. "There were so many soldiers, and so few comfort women. Sometimes, four or five women had to serve several hundred soldiers," he said. Those memories are still vivid for Lee, the former sex slave. For 10 months in the northern Taiwanese town of Hsinchu, soldiers raped her, kicked her and cut at her with swords. "I was so young. I did not understand what had happened to me," Lee said. "My cries then still ring in my ears. Even now, I can't sleep." |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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chrisJ2:
Great archive work.
But if the Japanese leadership has an ounce of sensitivity and humanitarian regard they would accept the testimony of countless former "comfort women" in their courts. After all, how many elderly East Asian women would step forward to talk about their past sexual experiences in public and mischaracterize it just for the sake of notoriety or compensation? And opposition Japanese legislators at large know this very well but remain silent, cowards that they evidently are. |
Japan, a dispicable nation of cowards. Anyone that can defend that genetic cesspool is beyond help. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: Japan Apologists |
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Okay, I just did some quick research, & there were 2 reasons why the riots in China & Korea took place in 2005:
1. A whitewash of Japans military past, with the school textbook "Atarashii Rekishi Kyokasho"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_anti-Japanese_demonstrations
2. Koizumis repeated visits to the Yasukuni Shrine, (2004, 2005, 2006) which houses 14 Class 'A' war criminals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine
"On October 17, 1978, 14 accused of Class A war crimes (according to the judgment of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East), including Hideki Tojo, were quietly enshrined as "Martyrs of Shōwa" (昭和殉難者 Shōwa junnansha), ostensibly on the technicality that they were on the registry. They are listed below, according to their sentences:
Death by hanging:
Hideki Tojo, Itagaki Seishiro, Heitaro Kimura, Kenji Doihara, Iwane Matsui, Akira Muto, Koki Hirota
Lifetime imprisonment:
Yoshijiro Umezu, Kuniaki Koiso, Kiichiro Hiranuma, Toshio Shiratori
20-year imprisonment:
Shigenori Togo
Died before a judicial decision was reached (due to illness or disease):
Osami Nagano, Yosuke Matsuoka"
Have also seen apologists claim that all of the above were wrongly tried & convicted / executed, because Japan only signed, but did not ratify, the Geneva Convention. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
Japan, a dispicable nation of cowards. Anyone that can defend that genetic cesspool is beyond help. |
yeah, who would want to defend a nation that modernized so quickly and become the #2 economy in the world after being totally destroyed 60 years ago. What a useless, pathetic country.
And since when did Abe and his supporters=all of Japan?
While I agree Japan's behavior towards its actions in World War II is shameful, I wouldn't say it is a despicable nation; that is a rather simplistic thing to say. |
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