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| Do you buy music cds? |
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| Sometimes. If I really like the cd. |
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| No. I have a spindle of 100 cd-rs and I always download. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I've been pleased to see on Amazon.com some of the prices of new cds come down to $9.99 ~ $10.99.
One thing I don't get though is why their Canadian site is so expensive.
Amazon USA - Sleater Kinney "The Woods" = $11.99 USD
Amazon Canada Same cd = $20.99 CAD ($18.60 USD)
What the beeeep! Same company and we have NAFTA. $6.61 more for the same cd. What gives?
A lot of their cds are so much more on the Canadian site. Proves that you'd better shop around.  |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| I've been pleased to see on Amazon.com some of the prices of new cds come down to $9.99 ~ $10.99. |
That's more like what I pay. Actually, it's less. Where are these $30+ CDs everyone is griping about? I remember some classic disks, Deutsche Grammophon stuff, being possibly that pricey when CDs first came out, but...
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One thing I don't get though is why their Canadian site is so expensive.
Amazon USA - Sleater Kinney "The Woods" = $11.99 USD
Amazon Canada Same cd = $20.99 CAD ($18.60 USD)
What the beeeep! Same company and we have NAFTA. $6.61 more for the same cd. What gives? |
I'm a member of a few A/V-related English-language messageboards, and whenever the N. Americans are discussing new product releases & prices (normally high-end components, projectors, speakers, etc. coming out of Japan or Europe) there will ALWAYS be a big sh1tstorm of complaints from Canadian posters because (a) the products never formally debut in Canada or they debut months later, and (b) they have to pay through the nose for them. A few of the Canadian members seem to be constantly flying(!) down to the US to see demos and to buy their gear. (how they then spirit them back into Canada w/o being nabbed & charged import duties, I don't know) Not for cheaper stuff like cables & accessories, but for the big-ticket or boutique-end of the market, yeah. They FLY. May as well give up the free-market pretense and go live in Scandinavia.  |
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Greekfreak

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Six years ago I bought an MD player, and shortly thereafter, stopped buying CDs as a rule, unless I found something I knew to be either rare or just an essential purchase.
Case in point? SKC plaza outlets were selling Japanese Miles Davis imports with the miniature LP sleeves for 10 and 20g's for single and double LPs. They usually sold for double on Amazon. I must have picked up 20-30 titles.
Then after getting married I finally got a computer at home, and since then I've only picked up used CDs when I know they're otherwise out of print. Case in point? An old out-of-print copy of Jimi's "The Cry Of Love".
During my high school years I used to dj and would raid the city pawn brokers for 13-20 Cds at a time, when they used to sell them at 5 bucks a pop. So when you're looking at a collection spanning literally 1000s of cds, you eventually start to think at consolidating.
As it is these days, I'll buy them as gifts for other people if at all. Most of the stuff I've downloaded, I purchased in some legitimate form many years ago and still own. The rest is bootlegged material that's not supposed to be released anyway. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another good question, I just went onto Amazon.co.uk and the cd I spoke of earlier sells for 9.98 pounds. That's $20 USD. That's theft. How can a mail order operation sell the same cd in another country for almost double the price?
If it were an actual store that has to pay premium rents in London, I could kind of understand that a bit, but.... |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Re the price of CDs, since 2000, it's only really newly released CDs that are expensive. There were always huge sales of bands' back catalogues for prices like 3 or 5 GBP per CD. I still prefer free however. As I said, I shall support my favorite band and buy their CDs and I love my huge Floyd/Bowie (and others) collections, but in this day and age of file sharing (and I rarely listen to modern, plodding, gigging groups who need and deserve to be paid) I'm unlikely to part with my beloved green man-wons to fill the coffers of someone who's fortune probably earns more in interest in a month than I do in capital per annum. I don't feel the moral compulsion I'm afraid. |
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat

Joined: 01 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| You seriously see no difference between lending a CD to a friend or relative (TO PLAY, NOT TO RIP, damn it) and tossing it up on the internet for millions of strangers to d/l, huh? Okay, whatever. |
Honestly (and I've thought this through), no I don't see much difference. It's a matter of scale, not principle. If that makes me scum, I can live with it. I'd seriously like to see the stats (if such a thing has been measured) on how much sales have actually fallen since downloading became an issue. And I mean hard losses, not speculated, potential losses (not remotely convincing since most people wouldn't buy the stuff anyway). Speaking for myself again, I probably spend as much on music today as I did before I ever downloaded anything. The only difference is that when downloading I can do it just for kicks and 'try out' the band. If I really like the music (like if it's a real classic) then I often do buy the CD (whenever I can find it in a bargain bin), and I already have a large collection of most of my favorites. I'm just not willing to fork out cash I don't have for some mediocre band whom I don't really care for, and merely wanna hear out of curiosity. Same as borrowing a CD from my friend, to expand my knowledge without always having to pay. Morevore I find the sharing of information a positive thing in general. Without sharing we wouldn't get too far...
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| See, what you claim to be sound reasons are what I consider technical loopholes, clever arguments, and rationalising, rationalising, rationalising |
Maybe, but even without rationalising it still feels 'right' to me. Like others have mentioned, I contribute where I can (namely to bands I love), and don't feel shame for enjoying the rest at no real cost to anyone.
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And I'm pretty sure God sees it the same way, so I fear you will be going to Hell, Leopard. So am I, but for other reasons, so can I ask you to please, please remember to bring your pirated MP3 collection when you come?  |
Will do amigo. I also got the most wicked stash of ill-gotten porn you've ever seen. Gonna be a long haul, so I'll be coming well prepared.  |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Springsteen Returns to No. 1
Wed Oct 24, 2:57 PM
By Katie Hasty
NEW YORK (Billboard) - In a slow week for album sales, Bruce Springsteen returned to the top of the U.S. pop charts Wednesday, a week after he lost the crown to Kid Rock.
Springsteen's "Magic" moved 77,000 copies during the week ended October 21, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The Columbia Records release bowed at No. 1 three weeks ago with 335,000 units, and then slipped to No. 2.
Only a couple hundred sales short of the Boss' total, Kid Rock's "Rock N Roll Jesus" (Atlantic) fell to No. 2 in its second week, also with 77,000 units (figures are rounded).
Rascal Flatts' "Still Feels Good" held at No. 3 with 70,000. Josh Groban's holiday album "Noel" rose six places to No. 4 with 64,000.
Jimmy Eat World's "Chase This Light," the rock troupe's final release under its Interscope contract, debuted at No. 5 with 62,000 copies. Its previous release, 2004's "Futures." opened at No. 5 with 99,000 copies.
Reba McEntire's "Reba Duets" (MCA) rose one to No. 6 with 59,000, while Disney's "High School Musical 2" soundtrack jumped two to No. 7 with 57,000.
Santana earned his fourth top 10 album, as "Ultimate Santana" (Arista) bowed at No. 8 with 56,000 units.
Kanye West's "Graduation" (Def Jam) fell three to No. 9 with 54,000 units. Colbie Caillat rounded out the top tier with "Coco" (Universal), which rebounded six places to No. 10 with 50,000 units.
Only a handful of other albums debut in the top 50 this week. Angie Stone's "The Art of Love & War," released through the newly relaunched Stax label, entered at No. 11 with 45,000. Her last album, "Stone Love," bowed at No. 14 in 2004 with 53,000. Rock act Thrice's "The Alchemy Index: Vols. I & II" (Vagrant) debuted at No. 24 with 28,000, while Toby Keith's "Classic Christmas" (Show Dog) brought Christmas cheer to the No. 39 spot with 18,000.
Album sales were down 4.9% from last week at 7.93 million units, and down 19.6% from the same week in 2006 (9.86 million units).
Reuters/Billboard
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/071024/entertainment/entertainment_sales_col |
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Are they the lemmings

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Location: Not here anymore. JongnoGuru was the only thing that kept me here.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| whenever given with the choice, I'd opt for a new LP instead of a proper meal. So there's the habit of about two decades of paying full price, and expecting to pay full price, for my music. That and the simple enjoyment of having something tangible that I can pull off the shelf, open, load, hit "PLAY", and maybe reading the liner notes for the 50th time, as you do. |
I, too, am an avid reader of liner notes. An interesting sleeve/jacket/cover and well-written liner notes are always a pleasure.
I remember the torture I used to go through as a kid when, having saved up enough pocket money for one album, I'd go to the record store and agonise over which of the many records I wanted I would actually buy. On more than one occasion I had to go home without buying anything because I just couldn't decide.
I love my music, but I'm not an audiophile so I got rid of my vinyl when I upgraded to CD as an adult. But I can remember the first LP I had (my parents bought it for me): Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham. The first record I actually bought was the Beach Boys' Wild Honey, which I got for about 50 cents at a jumble sale. The last LP I bought was Eurythmics' In the Garden.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand: Now that I can afford it, yes, I buy CDs. But I also rent liberally from my local Tsutaya rental place, and I use recent technologies to sample before I buy.
So, what's playing now at Are They the Lemmings's place? Well, it's taken a few songs' worth of time to write this post. During that time, I listened to The Angels' No Secrets, Koko Taylor's Big Boss Man, Great 3's ONO, B.B. King's How Blue Can You Get and AC/DC's The Jack. |
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Bondrock

Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Location: ^_^
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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for those who steal/download music illegally and attempt to justify it:
i suspect most of you are speaking from the point of view of those who do not create content.
how would you feel if someone downloaded that book you have been "planning to write" ; or if it was you who had "written, recorded and toured to promote" the song?
or someone stole your groceries?
the same excuses have been used for centuries: "everyone's doing it".
there is a big difference however in recording with a tape deck off the radio and P2P.
you see, every blank tape/ cd sold in a developed country contributes to the artist 'royalty' fund. if you are a member of a recording association you can benefit from those sales. no one benefits from illegal downloading, except the thief.
stealing is theft no matter how one "justifies" it. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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I have no moral qualms at all about downloading what I want.
All during the 80's and 90's I spent thousands of pounds on CD's and records in rip-off UK. I've given my fair share of money to the record industry during the time when they were horribly greedy. 13 pounds per CD!!?? The was the rate for new release CD's for years and years. Way too much. Who was 'stealing' from who then?
Musicians don't really need record companies anymore anyway. Follow the Radiohead example. If I liked a band I would pay a few dollars to download their music directly from their website. Knowing the money is going to the musicians and not the fatcats who don't care about music would be enough incentive to start paying for music again.
Plus, recording costs are much lower these days. The technology to record a broadcast quality piece of music is quite cheap now. Record companies have less and less of a role to play. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| I still hit used cd stores because there is a lot of stuff that is not easily available online. In Seattle recently I picked up a ton of zydeco at a store called Swerve which had a great collection. Why a place in Seattle had that much good, obscure zydeco, I don't know, but I'm grateful for it. |
Yes - the download selection is spotty. CD's offer a more complete selection. |
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