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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Korea vs Japan |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
| Japan ruled Korea with an iron fist for 35 years, |
Are you sure? I know sensationalism sells but... |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
| I lived in Fukuoka for 6 years so if I could be of help, just ask... |
Oh yeah I'm interested :
1. How convenient is it to travel to Tokyo and what is the cheapest way to get there from Fukuoka?
2. What Eikiawas can I expect to find there?
3. Are there any outdoor onsens?
4. Is the weather similar to Seoul?
Why did you come to Korea after 6 years? I was in Tokyo for 3 years and I thought I was getting bored until I came here, now I appreciate it a lot more now. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| But you see I'm not sure if "ruling with an iron fist" is the correct way to phrase it. Many Koreans flourished under Japanese rules. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Korean & Japanese |
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| Many Koreans flourished under Japanese rules |
Strongly disagree. The Japanese attempted cultural genocide in Korea, massacred 7,500 at Pagoda Park, (not a mere 32 like VT), assigned forced Korean labour to the Burakamin class (the lowest class) despite Buddhists having an abhorence for working with blood & animals like in tanneries, & around 20,000 Koreans died in the Hiroshima atomic bomb in 1945. Virtually all of them were forced labour. Hardly what I'd call "flourishing".
I wonder if the roles were reversed, & Korea had annexed Japan, burnt down most of Kyoto, Nara & Nikko, enslaved the population, banned Japanese language in schools, discriminated against anyone caught speaking Japanese (eg barred from university & jobs), would rocklee then claim the Korean occupation was benign?
http://www.kimsoft.com/kr-japan.htm
Oh, & an additional 6,000 Koreans were massacred after the Kanto earthquake of 1923:
http://www.kimsoft.com/2003/kanto-1923-massacre.htm
And yes, there were Korean collaborators who worked for the Japanese willingly, but they were a distinct minority.
"In 2002, South Korea started an investigation of Japanese collaborators. Part of the investigation was completed in 2006 and a list of names of individuals who profited from exploitation of fellow Koreans were posted. Many collaborators were able to afford higher education with the money they had made; this allowed them to take up influential positions and afford to contribute to the well-being of their children who thus also profited." (from Wikipedia)
There were also collaborators in Poland & France, under Nazi occupation. Were they well treated after liberation? No. Many were summarliy executed. So the "flourishing" was short lived. |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| IMO Koreans actually like Americans & Japanese |
You're living under a rock mate. No disrespect |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone for the great feedback. It's really amazing that people use their free time to advise others on sites like these.
Has anyone been to Japan and just done freelance teaching with privates? Is it a big no no to teach privates on a tourist visa? |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Korean & Japanese |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
Strongly disagree. The Japanese attempted cultural genocide in Korea, massacred 7,500 at Pagoda Park, (not a mere 32 like VT), assigned forced Korean labour to the Burakamin class (the lowest class) despite Buddhists having an abhorence for working with blood & animals like in tanneries, & around 20,000 Koreans died in the Hiroshima atomic bomb in 1945. Virtually all of them were forced labour. Hardly what I'd call "flourishing".
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I'll answer short and and sweet.
Koreans of the past lived in shockingly backward conditions, practically poverty-like. Those who lived well chose to segregate themselves from the rest developing a class-like structure not unlike that of India's. It was in Japan's interest to see Korea flourish and step into modernization to compete with other world superpowers like UK, America, France etc. These countries succeed on the same method called colonisation, which is basically a rape process of a country made to adhere to theirs. It was what it was back in those days so if you want to point out how harsh it was for Koreans then perhaps you should look at how America or Australia treated the native Indians and Aborigines. These people never got their country back.
While Koreans died resisting the Japanese, they had a choice to follow the new rule or die. Over 150,000 people were killed or injured by the Atomic bombings in several places in Japan. Those people didn't have a choice.
In addition, many Korean scholars agreed that Korea would never have flourished today if it wasn't for the infrastructure set by the Japanese in the first place. Korea is second to Japan in Asia in terms of economic superpowers.
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I wonder if the roles were reversed, & Korea had annexed Japan, burnt down most of Kyoto, Nara & Nikko, enslaved the population, banned Japanese language in schools, discriminated against anyone caught speaking Japanese (eg barred from university & jobs), would rocklee then claim the Korean occupation was benign?
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It would be interesting. There were already thousands of Koreans who lived in Japan (from immigrants to a couple of generations), the transition to Korean rule would just be a formality. Would Japan have succeeded under Korean rule? Given the state of Korea before its annexation, it would be highly unlikely. Colonisation is a sad chapter found in everyone's books. Some countries have never recovered (Cambodia, Vietnam etc).
Try not to draw all your eggs from the same basket. |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'll answer short and and sweet.
Koreans of the past lived in shockingly backward conditions, practically poverty-like. Those who lived well chose to segregate themselves from the rest developing a class-like structure not unlike that of India's. It was in Japan's interest to see Korea flourish and step into modernization to compete with other world superpowers like UK, America, France etc. These countries succeed on the same method called colonisation, which is basically a rape process of a country made to adhere to theirs. It was what it was back in those days so if you want to point out how harsh it was for Koreans then perhaps you should look at how America or Australia treated the native Indians and Aborigines. These people never got their country back.
While Koreans died resisting the Japanese, they had a choice to follow the new rule or die. Over 150,000 people were killed or injured by the Atomic bombings in several places in Japan. Those people didn't have a choice.
In addition, many Korean scholars agreed that Korea would never have flourished today if it wasn't for the infrastructure set by the Japanese in the first place. Korea is second to Japan in Asia in terms of economic superpowers. |
I have to respect a response like that. No bull$hit, straight to it. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Japanese colonialism. |
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No doubt, rocklees "source", was a whitewashed Japanese textbook.
And I've been to both Hiroshima & Nagasaki, btw.
Hakata in Fukuoka, is the departure point for Toyko bound trains.
From Wikipedia:
The yangban were a well educated scholarly class of male Confucian scholars who were part of the ruling elite within Korea prior to 1910 and the republics period of Korean history. The name yangban, literally "both classes," refers to two kind of classes it consists of: munban (문반;文班), the literary class, and muban (무반;武班), the martial class. The yangban tradition of close links by education, teachers, family background, city of origin, has been perpetuated within the Korean ruling class of the partitioned Koreas, with the south forming a new yangban class of leaders who share many of the values of earlier times; and the north forming a new yangban class based on military and educational fellowships and alliances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangban
The 'Yangban' were nothing like the caste system of India, which was strictly segregated. It was permissable to move between classes in Korea, unlike India. Japan borrowed much of its culture from Korea & China, btw, neither of which were backward. FACT! |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: BS |
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| Korea is second to Japan in Asia in terms of economic superpowers. |
Korea is fourth to Japan in Asia, in terms of economic superpowers, not 2nd. And Japan is second to China, not 1st.
Yet more erroneous information from rocklee. Here are the global rankings, of the top 10 economic powers, according to Wikipedia, which would make it the fourth largest:
List by the CIA World Factbook:
1. USA
2. China - First
3. Japan - Second
4. India - Third
5. Germany
6. UK
7. France
8. Italy
9. Russia
10. Brazil
11. Korea - Fourth
The listings of China, Japan, India & Korea as 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th, in Asia, are identical by both the IMF & World Bank:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) |
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gyopogirlfromtexas
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
Location: Austin,Texas
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a friend that's going to Japan soon. He's going with Jet, maybe yall want to be friends when he gets there he can tell u what it's like. He posts on www.bigdaikon.com and ithinkimlost dot com. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: BS |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
rocklee wrote:
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| Korea is second to Japan in Asia in terms of economic superpowers. |
Korea is fourth to Japan in Asia, in terms of economic superpowers, not 2nd. And Japan is second to China, not 1st.
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Yeah I meant eastern/south east Asia where Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore were considered the 4 tigers of the SE Asian region, not Asia my mistake (how could I forget China?). Still SK is second to Japan.
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| No doubt, rocklees "source", was a whitewashed Japanese textbook. |
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http://www.kimsoft.com/kr-japan.htm
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Try not to draw all your eggs from the same basket. |
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
Joined: 01 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: BS |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
List by the CIA World Factbook:
1. USA
2. China - First
3. Japan - Second
4. India - Third
5. Germany
6. UK
7. France
8. Italy
9. Russia
10. Brazil
11. Korea - Fourth
The listings of China, Japan, India & Korea as 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th, in Asia, are identical by both the IMF & World Bank:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) |
Actually those figures are based on purchasing power parity (PPP), which is often seen as an unreliable way to measure GDP. Going by nominal GDPs (i.e. the actual value "on paper", based on currency exchange rates etc.), Japan (at close to 4.5 trillion $US) is well ahead of China (around 2.8 trillion $US) and Korea is far below either (at around 900 billion $US). Per capita, Korea is still well below Japan, but far above China (around ten times higher).
Overall South Korea's ranked at 13th in the world (and 3rd in East Asia).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_estimates_for_2007_%28nominal%29 |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Argh! Posting in Jap. forum? |
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| demi wrote: |
| Why can't I post anything in Jap. forums? I wanna ask some questions as I might be moving out there. Does it require a separate registration or something? I tried to register in there but obviously I can't because my e-mail add. is recognized already. |
You're better off NOT posting over there anyways. You'll have that pudwacker Glenski being the only one responding probably listing search engines like google to whatever question you might have.
Gaijinpot.com is MUCH better. I also find that posting on the KOREA FORUM with Japan stuff is MUCH more informative than the JAPAN FORUM on Japan strangely enough. |
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