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EFLtrainer
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
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Once again Steve says, "It's all the Democrats fault."
(A) Who led us into this war?
(B) Who used faulty intellegence to start the war?
(C) Where are the WMD's?
(D) Who's fault is it over 3,000 US service people are dead?
Someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Michelle Malkin. |
(A) Bin Ladin.
(B) The U.S intelligence services
(C) Likely in Syria or so says Sada the former number 2 in Saddam's air force.
(D) Bin Ladin's
Anything else you need answered...just let me know. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Once again Steve says, "It's all the Democrats fault."
(A) Who led us into this war?
(B) Who used faulty intellegence to start the war?
(C) Where are the WMD's?
(D) Who's fault is it over 3,000 US service people are dead?
Someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Michelle Malkin. |
(A) Bin Ladin.
(B) The U.S intelligence services
(C) Likely in Syria or so says Sada the former number 2 in Saddam's air force.
(D) Bin Ladin's
Anything else you need answered...just let me know. |
Wow, Bin Ladin is in Iraq?
All of the military members were killed by Al Quida? None of it had anything to do with the secterian violence? Oh, that's right, there is no civil war.
Your almost as bad a Steve... |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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EFLTrainer wrote:
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| I'm certain that is why you avoided my thread on that issue. |
Don't flatter yourself; most distasteful when acting with delusion. I don't respond to most of your threads because it's a waste of time. |
Now, who is flattering whom? This is high praise, indeed! In one stroke you admit: you are beyond learning from your mistakes and can't stand the heat.
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| But since I'm here, BLT, you can turn on your TV to CNN International. They ran two separate stories today about the troops in different units and the general sentiment of disgust with the shenanigans in D.C. |
Did they? Soldier: Can't be won. Our generation's vietnam.
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| I have a relative over there who works in command and admits that some soldiers are disgruntled, especially return reserve and guard who are understandably tired of the rotation. But in the main he insists they didn't begin to get cynical until people like Reid started waving the white flag. |
Ah, yes. I'm sure they didn't until last week.
IRAQ Veterans Against the War
Veterans Against the Iraq War
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| Ain't buying that the majority of troops in country want to fold. No way, Jose. |
The 77 looks a bit fishy to me, too. But I think the troops have turned a corner just like the general population has. #$%#'s gonna be picking up speed rolling down off of Capitol Hill... suggest you start running now.
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| And you can bet your azz the Dems will try to get this showdown to coincide with the next election. It's much more about politics than principle for them. In their little debate today I loved how they tried to duck responsibility for their votes. Only Kucinich pointed that out and since he's the darling of the far left, that ought to make you take notice. But that's for another thread. |
Be careful, stevie. WE ain't the politicians. WE are the people. Pelosi pisses me off with her "off the table" BS, to be honest. Hilary's plan is BS, too. Etc. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Just to follow up, from Iraq Veterans Against the War:
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Why we're against the war
Q: Why are veterans, active duty, and National Guard men and women opposed to the war in Iraq?
A: Here are 10 reasons we oppose this war:
1. The Iraq war is based on lies and deception.
The Bush Administration planned for an attack against Iraq before September 11th, 2001. They used the false pretense of an immanent nuclear, chemical and biological weapons threat to deceive Congress into rationalizing this unnecessary conflict. They hide our casualties of war by banning the filming of our fallen's caskets when they arrive home, and when they refuse to allow the media into Walter Reed Hospital and other Veterans Administration facilities which are overflowing with maimed and traumatized veterans.
For further reading: www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/index.html
2. The Iraq war violates international law.
The United States assaulted and occupied Iraq without the consent of the UN Security Council. In doing so they violated the same body of laws they accused Iraq of breaching.
For further reading:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/imtconst.htm
http://www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.org/
3. Corporate profiteering is driving the war in Iraq.
From privately contracted soldiers and linguists to no-bid reconstruction contracts and multinational oil negotiations, those who benefit the most in this conflict are those who suffer the least. The United States has chosen a path that directly contradicts President Eisenhower's farewell warning regarding the military industrial complex. As long as those in power are not held accountable, they will continue...
For further reading:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0714-01.htm
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/
4. Overwhelming civilian casualties are a daily occurrence in Iraq.
Despite attempts in training and technological sophistication, large-scale civilian death is both a direct and indirect result of United States aggression in Iraq. Even the most conservative estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths number over 100,000. Currently over 100 civilians die every day in Baghdad alone.For further reading:
http://www.nomorevictims.org/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70A1EF73C5A0C758DDDA10894DE404482
5. Soldiers have the right to refuse illegal war.
All in service to this country swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, they are prosecuted if they object to serve in a war they see as illegal under our Constitution. As such, our brothers and sisters are paying the price for political incompetence, forced to fight in a war instead of having been sufficiently trained to carry out the task of nation-building.
For further reading:
http://thankyoult.live.radicaldesigns.org/content/view/172/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qa6ZHYcG_EM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dAXQeH7y9g&mode=related&search=
http://girights.objector.org
6. Service members are facing serious health consequences due to our Government's negligence.
Many of our troops have already been deployed to Iraq for two, three, and even four tours of duty averaging eleven months each. Combat stress, exhaustion, and bearing witness to the horrors of war contribute to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), a serious set of symptoms that can lead to depression, illness, violent behavior, and even suicide. Additionally, depleted uranium, Lariam, insufficient body armor and infectious diseases are just a few of the health risks which accompany an immorally planned and incompetently executed war. Finally, upon a soldier's release, the Veterans Administration is far too under-funded to fully deal with the magnitude of veterans in need.
For further reading:
http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/
http://www.vets4vets.us/
7. The war in Iraq is tearing our families apart.
The use of stop-loss on active duty troops and the unnecessarily lengthy and repeat active tours by Guard and Reserve troops place enough strain on our military families, even without being forced to sacrifice their loved ones for this ongoing political experiment in the Middle East.
For further reading: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_loss_092704,00.html
8. The Iraq war is robbing us of funding sorely needed here at home.
$5.8 billion per month is spent on a war which could have aided the victims of Hurricane Katrina, gone to impoverished schools, the construction of hospitals and health care systems, tax cut initiatives, and a host of domestic programs that have all been gutted in the wake of the war in Iraq.
For further reading:
http://www.costofwar.com
9. The war dehumanizes Iraqis and denies them their right to self-determination.
Iraqis are subjected to humiliating and violent checkpoints, searches and home raids on a daily basis. The current Iraqi government is in place solely because of the U.S. military occupation. The Iraqi government doesn�t have the popular support of the Iraqi people, nor does it have power or authority. For many Iraqis the current government is seen as a puppet regime for the U.S. occupation. It is undemocratic and in violation of Iraq�s own right to self-governance.
For further reading:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
10. Our military is being exhausted by repeated deployments, involuntary extensions, and activations of the Reserve and National Guard.
The majority of troops in Iraq right now are there for at least their second tour. Deployments to Iraq are becoming longer and many of our service members are facing involuntary extensions and recalls to active duty. Longstanding policies to limit the duration and frequency of deployments for our part-time National Guard troops are now being overturned to allow for repeated, back-to-back tours in Iraq. These repeated, extended combat tours are taking a huge toll on our troops, their families, and their communities.
For further reading:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-military12jan12,0,7198945.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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