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stevemcgarrett
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| Amen. But here's the thing, you will be told by the leftist libs that its not France's right to control who goes there but instead it is a human right of anyone to be able to go to France. In other words, it is racist and xenophobic for a country to control immigration. I personally would love to see mass deprortations from Europe of anyone who is found in any way connected to crime and terrorism. Even if its just going to some extremist mosque. Deport them all, close the borders. |
Yes, that's precisely what should happen but when multicultural muttering enters the national debate (witness the U.S.) it seems to take precedence over legal matters.
Third World immigrants now feel entitled to citizen rights regardless of how they got there or what they do after they get there. Entitlement, of course, goes hand in hand with the victim mindset that liberals and the left are always flouting.
p.s. big enough for you to read and absorb, endo? |
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cosmo
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
| France's only real hope is LePen. |
LePen eez mightier zen LeSword. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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cosmo wrote:
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| LePen eez mightier zen LeSword |
Ah, I see real wit still survives on this board.  |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
jinju wrote:
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| Amen. But here's the thing, you will be told by the leftist libs that its not France's right to control who goes there but instead it is a human right of anyone to be able to go to France. In other words, it is racist and xenophobic for a country to control immigration. I personally would love to see mass deprortations from Europe of anyone who is found in any way connected to crime and terrorism. Even if its just going to some extremist mosque. Deport them all, close the borders. |
Yes, that's precisely what should happen but when multicultural muttering enters the national debate (witness the U.S.) it seems to take precedence over legal matters.
Third World immigrants now feel entitled to citizen rights regardless of how they got there or what they do after they get there. Entitlement, of course, goes hand in hand with the victim mindset that liberals and the left are always flouting.
p.s. big enough for you to read and absorb, endo? |
I disagree with the above. Plenty of liberals want immigration in France curbed. You are assuming that liberals want illegal immigration. You figure that in the U.S. the Republicans are also pretty guilty when it comes to giving illegal immigrants a green light from Mexico. Nothing has been done by Republican presidents, either. Canada has been deporting illegals under both Conservatives and Liberals.
As far as Sarkozy, it is good he is going to work on the economy. However, he should also deal with integration and discrimination issues related to the minorities. Reducing taxes somewhat and increasing the work week is not a bad idea for making France more competitive.
"Sarkozy is the first French leader who is so mixed. The son of a Hungarian immigrant and a French mother of Greek Jewish origin, he was baptised a Roman Catholic and grew up in Paris.
One of his main political influences is not French but British, according to his other biographer, Nicolas Domenach.
"He admires Tony Blair hugely - for many reasons," he says."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3673102.stm
In a sense, France got a British style leader. Can they deal with that?
That's a big question, and can Sarkozy deal with France? |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmo wrote: |
| Tony_Balony wrote: |
| France's only real hope is LePen. |
LePen eez mightier zen LeSword. |
And Sarkozyism (sarcasm) doesn't befit you:) Just kidding. That was funny. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote:
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| Amen. But here's the thing, you will be told by the leftist libs that its not France's right to control who goes there but instead it is a human right of anyone to be able to go to France. In other words, it is racist and xenophobic for a country to control immigration. I personally would love to see mass deprortations from Europe of anyone who is found in any way connected to crime and terrorism. Even if its just going to some extremist mosque. Deport them all, close the borders. |
Yes, that's precisely what should happen but when multicultural muttering enters the national debate (witness the U.S.) it seems to take precedence over legal matters.
Third World immigrants now feel entitled to citizen rights regardless of how they got there or what they do after they get there. Entitlement, of course, goes hand in hand with the victim mindset that liberals and the left are always flouting.
p.s. big enough for you to read and absorb, endo? |
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. STOP YELLING!  |
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endo
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Anyways, Chirac was against pot smokers.
Screw him. I'm glad he's soon to be gone. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree with the above. Plenty of liberals want immigration in France curbed. You are assuming that liberals want illegal immigration |
No, what I'm saying is that the liberal appeal to multiculturism and diversity has led to an atmosphere that enables illegal immigration to occur at will and to policy-making that fosters it. Got it now?
Certainly you're not blaming this smokescreen diversity issue on conservatives? When have you ever heard Pat Buchanan, for instance, condone it?
Chirac and his wimpy ministers made a mess of handling the riots. Vandalize. Trial. Jail. |
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endo
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| I disagree with the above. Plenty of liberals want immigration in France curbed. You are assuming that liberals want illegal immigration |
No, what I'm saying is that the liberal appeal to multiculturism and diversity has led to an atmosphere that enables illegal immigration to occur at will and to policy-making that fosters it. Got it now?
Certainly you're not blaming this smokescreen diversity issue on conservatives? When have you ever heard Pat Buchanan, for instance, condone it?
Chirac and his wimpy ministers made a mess of handling the riots. Vandalize. Trial. Jail. |
Alright, I'm going to have to tackle you on this one and put yourself in your place once again.
Let's look at the United States and illegal immigration. Blame the liberals all you want for lacking the will to enforce the border with Mexico. I'm with you there to a degree.
But remember at the same time many wealthy Conservatives are making a killing off the cheap labor these evil immigrants provide. Conservatives are just as much to blame on this one.
This is why Bush hasn't done anything substantial in his almost two terms in office.
Liberals preach multiculturalism, however, it's the conservatives who most often profit from it. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Not too surprised about the results. Out of the 15-20 french peope I have talked to in the past few weeks during my travels, only 3 said they supported royal (all 3 were arab-french). One person told me that at some big dinner she went to, 14 of the 15 were voting for sarkozy.
Anyway, thank you French electorate. Let's just hope Sarkozy isn't like Chirac and actually does what he says he plans to do. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| I disagree with the above. Plenty of liberals want immigration in France curbed. You are assuming that liberals want illegal immigration |
No, what I'm saying is that the liberal appeal to multiculturism and diversity has led to an atmosphere that enables illegal immigration to occur at will and to policy-making that fosters it. Got it now?
Certainly you're not blaming this smokescreen diversity issue on conservatives? When have you ever heard Pat Buchanan, for instance, condone it?
Chirac and his wimpy ministers made a mess of handling the riots. Vandalize. Trial. Jail. |
In France, there isn't a strong appeal for multi-culturalism as you suspect. If a French person of Morrocan descent has an MBA from Harvard, even, he would be much better off as a citizen of the EU to go to England and get a job there with his qualifications. For many French, he is not such a big deal since he is not really French, so I disagree about there having been real multi-culturalism in France from any side.
You don't seem to realize the discrimination minorities face even if they are very educated. This is in no way defending some of the dumb religious views some among the minorities have or the criminal elements. There were legitimate complaints that led to the riots in France.
In England, they had the opposite problem, I think, and didn't look at the fanatics at all until it was late. The French, for example, banned the hijab.
Is that very multi-cultural? I think you paint all Liberals as if they are one.
It differs from culture to culture.
The illegal immigration in the United States is the fault of both Liberals and the Republicans. Who was the first to give amnesty? Ronald Reagan?
What did Bush sr. do to curb illegal immigration? Nothing. Many Republicans and Democrats among the elites benefited from the illegal immigrants while many common Americans among both parties were appalled, so you underestimated the opposition to illegal immigration.
And, by the way, many Republicans are for diversity, too. I mean
Bush senior had Irish Catholics, a Lebanese Catholic, Jews, Colin Powell.
So clarify what you mean. Is diversity necessarily evil? I am sure you know people who have interracial marriages. That is part of cultural diversity. It was unacceptable 30 years ago. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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What I remember about sarkozy was his campaign to deport an Algerian rioter/car burner. He soon found French law doesn't allow for it.
By contrast i don't think it takes much to get deported from korea.. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| So clarify what you mean. Is diversity necessarily evil? I am sure you know people who have interracial marriages. That is part of cultural diversity. It was unacceptable 30 years ago. |
Of course diversity is welcome when it is embraced in the spirit it was intended and not as some code word for affirmative action or politically correct policing. Yes, I do know interracial couples; I happen to be part of one as you should know from my other current thread and a few before.
and endo:
No administration has faced the thorny issue of immigration head-on but at least Bush has spelled out a plan which is supported by reasonable people on both sides of the debate. Ironically, much of the resistance has come from his own party.
I disagree that conservatives mostly profit. C'mon, every time anyone steps in a grocery store, calls for lawn service, and asks for a myriad other manual labor tasks to be performed they're benefiting from the de facto system.
I support the Bush plan as does Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico, a Democrat and Hispanic.
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| By contrast i don't think it takes much to get deported from korea.. |
I would consider that a reprieve rather than a punishment. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Bush hasn't done $hit.
I repeat, Bush hasn't done $hit!
How can you applaud a man for doing nothing? Politicians do this all the time. Dicuss openly how they feel about a policy and act like they have a plan. However, when it comes to the actual implementation nothing gets done.
And Steve, you forgot to mention how immigrant labor is crushing many unions in America. This definitely does more for the conservatives than those pansey liberals.
First things first, America needs to build a bloody fence or security gate or whatever and stop the flow of illegals entering the States.
This is more of a security issue than anything........
Holy Lord, I've gone way off topic.....
Vive La France!!! |
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caniff
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Chirac was a knee-jerk anti-Anglo blowhard. Good riddance. |
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