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samd
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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which is to try to stop creating future terrorists by trying to figure out how we made people hate us so much they they will fly planes into buildings. Al Qaeda, after all, was created by us. |
the main reason for terror is that mideast regimes and elites teach hate and incite violence.
By the way Al Qaeda was created by the US? Why don't you show it?
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I said "created by us" not created by the US.
By that I meant that when we (us) do things which make other people hate us, and I don't deny that they do, then we are to blame for their creation. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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U.S. Study Finds Billions Of Iraqi Oil "Missing": NYT
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Billions of dollars' worth of Iraq's declared oil production over the past four years is "unaccounted" for, "possibly" having been siphoned off through corruption or smuggling, The New York Times said on Saturday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070512/ts_nm/iraq_oil_report_dc ...
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Show me where I said or implied that all muslims should be killed? Otherwise, STFU.
Focus, leftwinger, focus.
You can call them whatever you wish but it won't alter their mindset or actions as long as the societies from which they come either encourage or condone it.
If you can't see that point, then you're dumber than I thought. |
The implication comes from your suggestion that working towards a peaceful solution doesn't work. From there I imply that you think that an all out war on terror is the solution. It's not too great a leap from there to assume that you'd really be quite happy if you could just wipe them all out.
But if I'm wrong I apologise. My bad. Please outline your solution.
Also, I am dumber than you thought. Please explain the paragraph that I quoted in bold. I didn't understand it at all.
Thanks Steve. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Igotthisguitar: thank you for posting that same story and link on at least four different threads.
Paper-hanger. |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Ummmmm ...
Interesting someone cares enough to be keep such a "close watch" tally on my online contributions.
You don't actually get paid for that do you?
We all know Spooky Joo works hard for the money
Surely you don't think the civilized world should simply turn a "blind eye" to the widepsread crime, torture & corruption in Iraq while the country is forced to endure widespread foreign imposed death & destruction?
btw - are you aware of how Saddam Hussein had SWITCHED from using US dollars to the EURO just a short time prior to the neocons' Operation "Liberation"?
Maybe you could comment.
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| Paper-hanger. |
Paper hanger? Huh? Whazah? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Ummmmm ...
Interesting someone cares enough to be keep such a "close watch" tally on my online contributions.
You don't actually get paid for that do you?
We all know Spooky Joo works hard for the money
Surely you don't think the civilized world should simply turn a "blind eye" to the widepsread crime, torture & corruption in Iraq while the country is forced to endure widespread foreign imposed death & destruction?
btw - are you aware of how Saddam Hussein had SWITCHED from using US dollars to the EURO just a short time prior to the neocons' Operation "Liberation"?
Maybe you could comment.
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| Paper-hanger. |
Paper hanger? Huh? Whazah? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: |
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which is to try to stop creating future terrorists by trying to figure out how we made people hate us so much they they will fly planes into buildings. Al Qaeda, after all, was created by us. |
the main reason for terror is that mideast regimes and elites teach hate and incite violence.
By the way Al Qaeda was created by the US? Why don't you show it?
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I said "created by us" not created by the US.
By that I meant that when we (us) do things which make other people hate us, and I don't deny that they do, then we are to blame for their creation. |
Did the US get Al Qaeda to fight for the Caliphate? |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| LA-LA-LA! THE WAR ON TERROR IS WORKING, DAMMIT! LA-LA-LA! EVERYTHING IS FINE! LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUU~! LA-LA-LA! TRUST THE PRESIDENT! I'M TURNING UP THE HANNITY NOW SO I CAN'T HEAR YOU, REALITY! LAAAAAAAA-LA~! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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This article is perfect for this thread
quote]Private Papers
www.victorhanson.com
May 11, 2007
Al Qaedism, Again
Another straw on the back of the proverbial American camel.
by Victor Davis Hanson
Why would Albanian-speaking Muslim refugees from the Balkans try to murder American soldiers? After all, the United States � not bin Laden�s rag-tag jihadists � saved Bosnia and Kosovo? And we did that by bombing the capital of a Christian European nation.
But then, why did a mixed-up Albanian Muslim in Salt Lake City, one Sulejman Talovic, go on a shopping-mall shooting spree? Five innocents were killed in the attack before the murderer himself was shot and killed.
And why, after pouring billions of dollars into Afghanistan, did poor, mixed-up Omeed Aziz Popal, an Afghan Muslim, try to run over several innocents in San Francisco near a Jewish center in September 2006?
Or, for that matter, why did an angry Muslim Pakistani gun down Jews in Seattle?
Or, again, why earlier last year, did a 22-year-old Iranian-American Muslim drive his sport utility vehicle into a crowded pedestrian zone at the University of North Carolina?
The Phenomenon of al Qaedism
About a year after 9/11, I made use of a word �al Qaedism� in a National Review Online essay to describe such seemingly isolated terrorists, both amateurs and the more organized, both the deranged and the more focused. At that time we were all discussing the careers of those like John Williams, John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, or Richard Reid (or rather John Mohammed, Abdul Hamid, Abdullah al-Muhajir, or Abdel Rahim).
Yet, both then and now, we waste our time wondering whether such terrorists are al Qaeda-controlled or not. The question is academic. It matters little whether they were explicitly ordered to kill by central terrorist command (they probably were not) or were inspired by CDs, the Internet, or the local mullah.
The point is simply that, for purposes of harming America, lone-wolf jihadists need only to feel the same rage and perceived grievances � al Andalus, Israel, Iraq, Chechnya, Kashmir, etc. � as their pin-up heroes like bin Laden or Zawahiri.
But, again, why do these residents in our midst, who have voluntarily come to America, and some of whom have had America itself spend billions abroad on their brethren, wish to kill us?
Such questions are nonsensical. The aggrieved Islamist, whether born here or abroad, lives in a world of emotion, never reason, in which pride, envy, and a sense of inferiority always trump logic.
When, as an individual or collectively, he constructs someone or something culpable for his own � or his people�s � sense of failure, then a primordial urge to lash out follows. His mind returns to the seventh-century never-never land of scimitars and sharia law mixed in with rote chanting of �Allah Akbar!� while his body and material appetites are stranded in our cosmos of Baywatch reruns and professors on the BBC and CNN whining on about the dangers of Islamaphobia. What, then, are the catalysts for the al Qaedist that turn him from hothouse anti-Americanism to deadly violence?
The Creation of an Al Qaedist
The first is the goad of radical Islamic indoctrination through globalized communications. A nut in New Jersey can feel as close to a Wahhabi megaphone in Jeddah as a Bedouin just a desert away. Fiery sermons of hate-filled imams on the West Bank (now they employ Mickey Mouse as a prop), or videos of Americans losing limbs in Iraq, or sit-coms from Iran depicting Satanic Americans and Jews, are as cheaply disseminated as they are cheaply produced.
To the degree that capital for such Goebbels-like hatred is required � opening radical mosques, printing propaganda, funding madrassas � we should remember that, with recent oil-price spikes, there are annually another $500 billion floating around the Middle East from Shiite Iran to the Sunni Gulf monarchies.
Second is the nature of the assumed grievance that goes unexamined and unchallenged by Westerners. Instead, we seek with the logic and reason of the 21st century to sort out why they hate us � a phenomenon well known to crybaby Islamists who can produce new complaints as fast as the old ones are shot down.
So sympathetic Western observers must damn Israel for not giving up all of the West Bank (never asking why Cyprus, the Kuriles, or Tibet have not fostered suicide bombers).
Or is it our presence in Iraq (as if it predated 9/11)? Or is it that we have demonized poor Muslims (as if we have not saved the starving, enslaved, and targeted in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, and Somalia, or subsidized the failed in Egypt, Jordan, and Palestine; or as if the Chechen-killing Russians or Muslim-burning Hindus are as targeted as we are).
Always we forget that the jihadist mind is of the 7th century, nursed on illusions of ancient grandeur lost to purported Zionism, capitalism, imperialism, and colonialism. And why not such writs when they are far easier to manufacture than the necessary introspective self-criticism that might � in search of answers for the miasma that is now the Middle East � focus on warped schools, massive illiteracy, statism, authoritarianism, gender apartheid, religious intolerance, or polygamy?
It is not easy, after all, for a region to turn twenty million $65-barrels of oil sold each day � found, developed, and handed over by someone else � into a recipe for utter catastrophe.
Worse still, not only does the jihadist place the blame on those who are more successful, he learns much of his strategy of victimization from our own postmodern Western Left. We saw that clearly enough in the videos of the clownish Zawahiri and bin Laden that cite by title and author leftwing attacks on the United States by kooky Chomskyites. Nothing is more absurd than a bearded, robed imam dryly reciting from his mud-brick hideout why America needs to implode � due to our sins of global warming, environmental desecration, and our lack of campaign-finance reform.
The third impetus for the idiosyncratic jiahdist is the lack of any consequences. Or rather, he shares a general perception � never mind whether it is a misconception � that the European and American criminal-justice systems will not promptly find, arrest, indict, try, convict, and sentence wannabe jihadists. Our popular culture instead emphasizes more the injustice of Guantanamo Bay, our shame over the sexual grotesqueries of Abu Ghraib, and the worry over the excesses of the Patriot Act than the need to show no mercy to the radical Islamist on our shores.
Indeed, the jihadist believes the West in general cares little about its own sense of citizenship. He knows that we ask of the legal immigrant little familiarity with our language, history, or culture, and even less of the illegal immigrant.
With 12 million here illegally from Mexico, why would any visitor think we could or should enforce the law? A jihadist must think it an ideal spot a country where it was deemed more illiberal to turn in an illegal alien than to be one.
A Three-Tiered War
There are many theaters in this global war. The nation-states of Afghanistan and Iraq are now foci. Eventually hearts and minds inside Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia must be persuaded � by varying means � that it makes no moral, and still less practical, sense to subsidize the hatred and killing of Americans. All that is an impossible task unless we can stabilize Iraq and restore the sense of American prowess and unpredictability.
At the second tier, organized terrorist cells, whether al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, or the various other appendages, have to be cut off from their sanctuaries and cash through counterinsurgency, better intelligence, and constant pressure on their state sponsors. The sooner we get over the fact that a Hamas or Hezbollah differs from al Qaeda only in method and capability, but not in venom or desire, the better off we will be.
But there is also a third war that we saw at Fort Dix, at this more insidious al Qaedistic level. Thousands of seething Muslims in Europe and America � fill in the blanks for the reasons for their anger � must come to learn that shooting up a mall, or driving an SUV into students, or killing soldiers, is going to ensure long incarceration for the guilty.
More importantly, such serial provocations are also creating a larger culture of anger and, with it, zero tolerance for any activity deemed a precursor to Muslim extremism � whether flying imams flaunting airline protocols or demands for special dispensations deemed at odds with traditional American custom and practice.
A Tested Patience
So, in the end, what are we to make of Fort Dix � yet another post-9/11 straw on an increasingly tired camel�s back?
We know that CAIR will neither seriously admonish Muslims charged with terrorist crimes nor introspectively examine the larger Islamic culture that seems to so incite the jihadist.
Such organizations will not do so as long as they can far more easily play on the self-doubt and guilt of the affluent and leisured citizen, who is supposed to believe that the dangers of radical Islam, both at the state and individual level, are mostly fictions inspired by our own prejudices. The sermonizing here in the United States by an Ayatollah Khatami, readily received by complaint listeners, and the satellite-beamed sophistry of Tariq Ramadan prove that well enough.
Most Americans will not remember Fort Dix in a week � just as they have forgotten Salt Lake City, San Francisco, Seattle, Lodi, Portland, and all the rest; just as they want out of Fallujah now and probably Kandahar tomorrow.
Yet, at some point, the jihadists will go too far. Many of us, erroneously as it turned out, thought that, after twenty years of serial provocations, radical Islam had done precisely that on 9/11.
Apparently not. But such forbearance, even at this late hour in the post-West, is still not limitless.
The more a Palestinian imam promises us our death, the more the Iranian president promises a world without America, the more these al Qaedists, like the most recent keystone clowns at Fort Dix, do their small part in trying to reify such mad rhetoric, and the more the sophisticated apologists assure us that we, not they, are the real threat, the more likely the sofa-sitting, channel-surfing American will some day very soon blow up, rather than be blown up.
�2007 Victor Davis Hanson[/quote]http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson051107PF.html |
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Gopher

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| LA-LA-LA! THE WAR ON TERROR IS WORKING... |
Screaming wild-eyed radicals and their strawmen.
Igotthisguitar: you furiously posted it twice on this thread alone in a ten-minute period, paper-hanger...
"Paper-hanger," by the way, can refer to counterfeiters and also propagandists -- those who hang their paper like wallpaperers do. As in Lieutenant-General George S. Patton's inspiring words...
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| And when we get to Berlin I am personally going to shoot that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler...Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| "Paper-hanger," by the way, can refer to counterfeiters and also propagandists -- those who hang their paper like wallpaperers do. As in Lieutenant-General George S. Patton's inspiring words... |
Oh, ok thanks. Got me pegged as a counterfeiting pro-PAGAN-dist eh?
Hmmmm ... sure, whatever "tickles" your little fancy
Furiously posting? Nope, wasn't angry in the least. Not then, not now
You see anger is a terrible poison. Among other things, it deludes out perception.
This is something troubled souls such as yourself and the notorious Joo-dude would likely well profit from "ruminating" upon.
Indeed you seem quite CRAFTY with your typing ability, framing of language and the like. Tell us then, what's another word for AD HOMINIST (i.e. name-caller)?
Any other "paper-hangers" you see busy copy & pasting here on Dave's, or only does this only apply to those whose views you take exception to?
btw - i don't believe you've confessed to your profession. The question was directed but never fielded.
If your NEW avatar is any indication i'd have to say ... ASSASSIN
Good guess?
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| LA-LA-LA! THE WAR ON TERROR IS WORKING, DAMMIT! LA-LA-LA! EVERYTHING IS FINE! LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUU~! LA-LA-LA! TRUST THE PRESIDENT! I'M TURNING UP THE HANNITY NOW SO I CAN'T HEAR YOU, REALITY! LAAAAAAAA-LA~! |
Yep, that about says it ...
Oh yes, before all the "paper hangers" here get too carried away & try to steer the thread waaaaaaaay off topic:
Let's not forget what was TOP of (e.g.) PNAC's Christmas "wish-list" prior to 9/11
ANOTHER PEARL HARBOR
All just one big happy coincidence of course  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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et's not forget what was TOP of (e.g.) PNAC's Christmas "wish-list" prior to 9/11
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The PNAC was right. They saw that the mideast was a threat to the US. 9-11 showed that is was so. |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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et's not forget what was TOP of (e.g.) PNAC's Christmas "wish-list" prior to 9/11
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The PNAC was right. They saw that the mideast was a threat to the US.
9-11 showed that is was so. |
Grasping at straws, you're "begging" the question.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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History Lessen
by Spencer Ackerman
> <URL: http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=foreign&s=ackerman020403
Only at TNR Online| Post date 02.04.03
It is by now a well-established fact that chemical weapons claimed the
Llives of over 5,000 Kurds in the northern Iraqi town of Halabja on March
16, 1988. It is equally well-established that responsibility for this
atrocity lies with Saddam Hussein. Indeed, there is virtual unanimity
> among the dozens of journalists, government delegations, and international human rights groups who have investigated the matter that Halabja was the first frightful act of Saddam's Anfalcampaign, a genocide that consumed almost 100,000 Kurds in all. Yet according to a chilling and incoherent op- edpublished in Friday's New York Times,Saddam had nothing to do with the massacre after all. The author of this revisionist account is Stephen C. Pelletiere, a retired Army War College professor who served as a senior Iraq analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency during the Iran-Iraq war. Pelletiere is the co-author of the 1990 book Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East,which concluded that Iranian gas, not Iraqi gas, murdered the Kurds at Halabja. In his Timesop-ed Pelletiere recycles this argument, only this time against the backdrop of a second war with Saddam.
> He's no more convincing today than he was 13 years ago. Pelletiere
> begins by reprising the usual facts--namely, that Halabja was the site of an intense battle between Saddam and the Iranians. He first concedes that
Iraq did use chemical weapons, but argues that the Iranians did as well. The Kurdish victims of the chemicals "had the misfortune to be caught up in the exchange." Pelletiere then cites a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
report, issued shortly after Halabja, to support his conclusion that Iranian gas killed the Kurds. His evidence? The Kurdish corpses "indicated that they had been killed with a blood agent," which the Iraqis, "who are
thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have
possessed."But this claim is wildly implausible. First, interviews by international human rights groups with scores of Halabja survivors reveal no such confusion about who deployed the chemicals. Kurds who were outside their houses during the mid-morning attack "could see clearly that these were Iraqi, not Iranian aircraft, since they flew low enough for their
> markings to be legible," concluded Human Rights Watch in its 1993 report Genocide In Iraq.In any case, the argument for Iranian culpability neglects the logistics of the Halabja battle itself. The Iranians, who controlled the town on March 15, would have no reason to use chemical agents against the Iraqi counteroffensive on March 16, since the Iraqis retaliated with air strikes and placed no soldiers on the ground against whom such weapons could be used. Second, even if the victims died of exposure to blood agents, this would be perfectly consistent with the claim of Iraqi responsibility. A 1991 DIA report, since declassified, concluded
> definitively, "Iraq is known to have employed ... a blood agent, hydrogen cyanide gas (HCN) ... against Iranian soldiers, civilians, and Iraqi Kurdish civilians." Nonetheless, it is far more likely, according to the
standard accounts of the attack on Halabja, that mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin and tabun--and perhaps even VX and the biological agent aflatoxin, which the Iraqis were also known to possess--were the
instruments of Kurdish murder. For example, Human Rights Watch noted
that survivors excreted blood-streaked urine, "consistent with exposure to
> both mustard gas and a nerve agent such as Sarin." Third, the 1988 DIA report Pelletiere cites to pin Halabja on the Iranians was not the end of the
> DIA's inquiry. The DIA's April 19, 1988 cable--a month after
> Halabja--took note of the fact that the Iraqis were already forcibly resettling "an estimated 1.5 million Kurdish nationals," including "an unknown but reportedly large number of Kurds [who] have been placed in
> 'concentration camps' located near the Jordanian and Saudi Arabian borders." This in mind, the far more plausible story is that Halabja was part of a concerted effort to settle the Kurdish problem "once and for all," in the words of an October 24, 1988 DIA report--by wiping out the Iraqi Kurdish population. This brings us to the biggest problem with Pelletiere's argument: If the Kurds were legitimate battlefield casualties, why is it Saddam subsequently felt the need to slaughter nearly 100,000 more of them? Pelletiere writes that any otherexamples of Saddam's chemical deployment on Kurdish victims "must show that [the dead Kurds] were not pro-Iranian Kurdish guerillas who died fighting alongside Iranian Revolutionary guards." But even if Saddam's goal wasto root out traitors, it's inconceivable that all or even most of the residents of the dozens of Kurdish villages Saddam subsequently razed were treacherous peshmerga,or that Saddam believed this to be the case. Certainly the testimony of hundreds of Kurdish refugees, who have provided
> remarkably consistent accounts of the genocide despite being dispersed
> from Iran to Turkey, refute this. So does the fact that Saddam kept gassing the Kurds after signing the August 20, 1988 ceasefire with Iran, as Samantha Power points out in her 2002 book, A Problem From Hell.And in unguarded moments, members of Saddam's regime have given lie to this rationale as well. Saddam's cousin Ali Hassan al-Majid, entrusted to carry out the Kurdish slaughter, was caught on tape at a Ba'athist meeting in May 1988 boasting about the Kurds, "I will kill them all with chemical weapons! Who is going to say anything? The international community? *beep* them!" (Human Rights Watch believes the tape is mislabeled, recording a conversation that really took place in 1987--i.e., before Halabja.) What's perhaps most infuriating, though, is that Pelletiere is now reviving his decade-old hobbyhorse as a cynical argument against war with Iraq. "President Bush himself has cited Iraq's 'gassing its own people,' specifically at Halabja, as a reason to topple Saddam Hussein," Pelletiere writes. Considering the Bush administration's "lack of a smoking gun" in the U.N. weapons inspections, he continues, "perhaps the strongest argument left for taking us to war quickly is that Saddam Hussein has committed human rights atrocities against his own people." Even if Pelletiere had his facts straight on Halabja, his would be a noxious and dishonest argument against war. To begin with, it is an insult to the principled antiwar critics who recognize and condemn Saddam's record of genocide but who still oppose an invasion of Iraq. One such critic is Maryland Democratic Representative Chris Van Hollen, who as a staffer for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in September 1988 visited Kurdish refugees in Turkey to determine what had happened in Kurdistan. Van Hollen's team documented Iraqi chemical attacks on 49 Kurdish villages, leading him to conclude that "at the end of the Iran-Iraq war, all evidence pointed to the fact that [Saddam] used chemical weapons against the Kurds." More important, though, Van Hollen grasps the distinction that eludes Pelletiere, which is that while Bush invokes the Kurdish genocide in his brief against Saddam, the president does so to establish Saddam's willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, not to argue that, as Pelletiere ludicrously puts it, "we go> to war over Halabja." The only one fighting a war over Halabja, it seems,
is Stephen Pelletiere. And it's one he'd lost before it had even begun.
Spencer Ackerman is an assistant editor at TNR.
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igotthisguitar

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