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igotthisguitar
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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Mormons constitute a powerful Freemasonic kult 
They're highly committed to selective breeding & eugenics.
re: polygamy ... cool!  |
The sky in your world is what color exactly? Blue because Dow dumps mind control chemicals into the sky and they've turned it blue? All our history books and art that have depicted the sky as blue are lies The Conspiracy has been feeding us since 1907? |
Clearly you only want ( or pretend ) to know the truth when it suits your cunning little egotistical worldview.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mormons+freemasons
Joseph Smith WAS a MASON.
He was SHOT dead by fellow MASONS while trying to utter the "secret" little catch phrase:
"Oh my God, my lord is there no hope for the poor widow's son ... "
Maybe if you did a little more investigation into these matters you wouldn't feel the need to come across as such an incurable smart ass 
Then again, if YOU yourself are a good Mason, everything is explained
btw - We ARE being sprayed from the sky to keep us passive and the like.
Simply because the lap dog corporate media doesn't bother to report on it, and we've to have any real public disclosure doesn't mean it's not a fact.
Look up. Look waaaaaaaaay, waaayyyyy up ...
CHEMTRAILS
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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There already enough deadbeat dads, could you imagine a Canada where a dad can leave 20 wives? |
Yeah, many like that great divorced (a sin) @@@@@@@@@@. |
I don't know why you are personalizing this? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| How anyone can seriously argue FOR polygamy is beyond me. yet another example of the moral swamp the left on this board represent. |
Ah, the guy without sin. Glad to have finally met you. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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It wouldn't be a question of a man immigrating to Canada in order to have multiple wives. The man would have multiple wives in his native country. He would then immigrate to Canada, and try to bring his wives with him.
Again, we just don't let anyone into the country. A person has to be able to demonstrate he can take care of his dependents for (I think) at least a decade. If a dependent applies for social services, the sponsor is sent the bill. I really can't see Immigration Canada thinking a guy with multiple wives back in his native land is a good risk.
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Why not? If they consider a guy with one wife and four kids to be a good risk, why wouldn't they consider a guy with two wives and two kids to be a good risk?
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If the Canadian government tried to tell him he couldn't, he would hire a lawyer who would argue that the government was discriminating against him, because Canadian law doesn't prohibit polygamy.
Again more slippery slope argumentation. "If this, then maybe this will happen." |
I don't think it's slippery slope if we're talling about legal precedent. A judge is obliged, under the Charter Of Rights, to strike down laws that he deems to be discriminatary. And I think you could make a pretty strong case that it is discriminatory to bar immigrants from bringing in multiple wives, when Canadians are allowed to have them.
And yes, the Charter Of Rights does apply to non-citizens...
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April 4, 1985 was a milestone for refugee rights in Canada. On that day, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects the right of refugee claimants in Canada to life, liberty and security of the person, and that claimants are therefore entitled to an oral hearing, in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice and international law. This ruling has become known as the �Singh decision� in recognition of Harnhajan Singh, Sadhu Singh Thandi, Paramjit Singh Mann, Kewal Singh, Charanjit Singh Gill, Indrani and Satnam Singh who brought their cases to the Court.
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http://www.web.net/~ccr/RRDay.html
By the way, IGTG is correct about the historical connections between Mormonism and Freemasonry. Columbia University Press has published a book on the subject...
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Both the Prophet Joseph Smith and his Book of Mormon have been characterized as ardently, indeed evangelically, anti-Masonic. Yet in this sweeping social, cultural, and religious history of nineteenth-century Mormonism and its milieu, Clyde Forsberg argues that masonry, like evangelical Christianity, was an essential component of Smith's vision. Smith's ability to imaginatively conjoin the two into a powerful and evocative defense of Christian, or Primitive, Freemasonry was, Forsberg shows, more than anything else responsible for the meteoric rise of Mormonism in the nineteenth century.
This was to have significant repercussions for the development of Mormonism, particularly in the articulation of specifically Mormon gender roles. Mormonism's unique contribution to the Masonic tradition was its inclusion of women as active and equal participants in Masonic rituals. Early Mormon dreams of empire in the Book of Mormon were motivated by a strong desire to end social and racial discord, lest the country fall into the grips of civil war. Forsberg demonstrates that by seeking to bring women into previously male-exclusive ceremonies, Mormonism offered an alternative to the male-dominated sphere of the Master Mason. By taking a median and mediating position between Masonry and Evangelicism, Mormonism positioned itself as a religion of the people, going on to become a world religion.
But the original intent of the Book of Mormon gave way as Mormonism moved west, and the temple and polygamy (indeed, the quest for empire) became more prevalent. The murder of Smith by Masonic vigilantes and the move to Utah coincided with a new imperialism뾞nd a new polygamy. Forsberg argues that Masonic artifacts from Smith's life reveal important clues to the precise nature of his early Masonic thought that include no less than a vision of redemption and racial concord.
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Contra IGTG, however, I doubt that whatever social, economic, and political prestige the Latter-Day Saints currently enjoy is a result of their involvement in Masonic conpiracies.
http://tinyurl.com/2jl5ol |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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How anyone can seriously argue FOR polygamy is beyond me. yet another example of the moral swamp the left on this board represent.
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Well, I'm usually regarded as being on the left of this board, and I'm arguing against polygamy here. So maybe things are a bit more complicated than your manichean worldview will allow for. |
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On the other hand
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Persuant to the discussion about the financial viability of polygamous groups...
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Benjamin Bistline spent part of his childhood among polygynists in the main FLDS group in what is now called Colorado City, AZ. He has written a book about his experiences. 8 He has observed that in order to maintain a culture in which most men have many wives, it is necessary to persuade or force most male youths to leave the community at a relatively young age. Teenaged women with restricted education are then matched up with older men, preferably before they develop an interest in boys their own age. After an unregistered marriage, the new wives often financially support the family by applying for welfare as single mothers. It is quite possible that the same policies are pursued in the Bountiful group. The U.S. and Canadian branches appear to be closely linked. There have been allegations in the U.S. and Canadian media that teenage women have been transported from the U.S. group to supply men in Bountiful with additional brides.
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It's not really the welfare aspect of this that concerns me, in any event.
Interesting link. Not a website given to the mindless slagging of minority religions.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_poly1.htm |
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ChimpumCallao
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| How anyone can seriously argue FOR polygamy is beyond me. yet another example of the moral swamp the left on this board represent. |
nah...i'm no lefty, but i personally cannot believe that someone would seriously argue for people to be forced to live in ways they do not want to, regardless of how backwards they are.
I agree that polygamy is weird and not my bag...I also agree that it's not my place to use the government to coerce ANYONE to act as *I* see fit.
As long as I act as I see fit, I'm happy. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Why not? If they consider a guy with one wife and four kids to be a good risk, why wouldn't they consider a guy with two wives and two kids to be a good risk? |
You tell me. If a man has the money to support a large family and can demonstrate such and can demonstrate he is capable of supporting them all for 10 years if they need to dip into social services and he has the needed skills that qualify him for immigration, then I guess there is no barrier. But really, how many men with multiple wives would qualify?
The claim was these people with many wives and children would suddenly come flooding into Canada in such numbers they would alter the cultural landscape of Canada to the point where outsiders would alter our perception of polygamy. Given one needs to demonstrate the financial means to support them, I can't see this happening to such extent.
This is all a slippery slope argument. It's clear immigration law has a financial test. On the face of it, I can't see there being that many professionals and skilled foreign workers who have multiple wives and can pass the financial test. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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There already enough deadbeat dads, could you imagine a Canada where a dad can leave 20 wives? |
Yeah, many like that great divorced (a sin) @@@@@@@@@@. |
I don't know why you are personalizing this? |
Oh like you never, god boy. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Mormons constitute a powerful Freemasonic kult
They're highly committed to selective breeding & eugenics.
re: polygamy ... cool! |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| The sky in your world is what color exactly? Blue because Dow dumps mind control chemicals into the sky and they've turned it blue? All our history books and art that have depicted the sky as blue are lies The Conspiracy has been feeding us since 1907? |
MOCK ON MOCKINGBIRD!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Clearly you only want ( or pretend ) to know the truth when it suits your cunning little egotistical worldview.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mormons+freemasons
Joseph Smith WAS a MASON.
He was SHOT dead by fellow MASONS while trying to utter the "secret" little catch phrase:
"Oh my God, my lord is there no hope for the poor widow's son ... "
Maybe if you did a little more investigation into these matters you wouldn't feel the need to come across as such an incurable smart ass
Then again, if YOU yourself are a good Mason, everything is explained
btw - We ARE being sprayed from the sky to keep us passive and the like.
Simply because the lap dog corporate media doesn't bother to report on it, and we've to have any real public disclosure doesn't mean it's not a fact.
Look up. Look waaaaaaaaay, waaayyyyy up ...
CHEMTRAILS
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=CHEMTRAILS |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| How anyone can seriously argue FOR polygamy is beyond me. yet another example of the moral swamp the left on this board represent. |
Yeah, we're all polygamists.
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mindmetoo
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Save that for the Chemtrails thread.
This is the Mormon thread.
Mormons are FREEMASONS. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Save that for the Chemtrails thread. |
So what evidence do you have that they are anything but jet contrails?
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| Mormons are FREEMASONS. |
I have no doubt Smith was a mason back then and incorporated a lot of the rituals into his church. There are certainly secret "levels" in the church like masonry. I don't dispute that.
But so what? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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There already enough deadbeat dads, could you imagine a Canada where a dad can leave 20 wives? |
Yeah, many like that great divorced (a sin) @@@@@@@@@@. |
I don't know why you are personalizing this? |
Oh like you never, god boy. |
Good one. A real zinger.
I'm sure he's looking after any kids that are left behind versues some other people who don't look after their children. Which is why polgamy isn't a good thing. |
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