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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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 Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| Actually, the French is coup d'Etat... |
If you would like to be so anal. Very well, Gang ah jee. Be anal. But you should also be right. And your French is bad French -- although not attrocious like your Spanish.
"coup d'�tat" -- with the correct accent.  |
Heh, it was your own anal retention coupled with inaccuracy that inspired me. But yes, with the accent.
And BJWD, I don't quite have the time right now for prolonged CE forum fun. I may be back in a few weeks. Or not. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Gang ah jee wrote: |
| Actually, the French is coup d'Etat... |
If you would like to be so anal. Very well, Gang ah jee. Be anal. But you should also be right. And your French is bad French -- although not attrocious like your Spanish.
"coup d'?at" -- with the correct accent.
Spanish-language versions, by the way, include "golpe de Estado" or "golpe" and variants: "golpe blando" or "golpe seco" for a bloodless coup; and "golpe negro" for a bloody one. And let us not forget Fujimori's innovation, in ChimpumCallao's honor: "autogolpe."
Guess that takes care of the coups, unless you want to demonstrate your prowess in German, the other language that describes them? If not, let us return to helping Regicide nail down what might very well become an interesting conspiracy theory.
Regicide: if you have even hints or gut-feeling-answers to my above questions, share and let us see what we can develop. |
Alright. But since we are testing a few languages today, how about Latin?
We are going to have to have some quid pro quo here , Gopher. Let's start by you telling me first, what you believe happened. Please be specific and give your sources if you have them available. If you could, give us an analysis of the stabalized Zapruder film that I have provided for you, as well as the information I have made available to you about the Secret Service behavior. Once I get an idea where you are coming from , I will be more than glad to share which theories I believe in. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
| We are going to have to have some quid pro quo... |
Excellent.
I think that the Warren Commission was fundamentally correct in its findings and, moreover, acted in good faith. I have read in Helms's memoirs that there is some evidence to suggest that KGB planted the story as a black-propaganda op in an Italian paper that got picked up. The Soviets intended to sow doubt and uncertainty in America. If true, they certainly succeeded, at least in some corners.
But I do not want to argue these points. And I do not need to see any more evidence that the Warren Commission's version has holes in it. Every historical reconstruction has holes in it, Regicide.
I watched and continue to watch Igotthisguitar's vid to help me sleep. In the process I have heard that story dozens of times -- and he says the Bush Family did it as an initiation/rite-of-passage into a maffia-like shadow-govt that contols everything. And W. Bush killed JFK, Jr. to prove his own bona fides much later. So, in any case, I have become interested to at least flesh out a complete theory that goes beyond that nonsense. Which is my motive here, kind of like playing with a puzzle as a distraction.
I will only argue against you helpfully and in a constructive way so that you might state the whole thing clearly and in its entirety.
Now, you have eliminated the military-industrial complex and implicitly Vietnam but implicated the Secret Service -- either as an institution or a collection of agents. Who else then? |
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just alittlecrazy
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| Tell me that just sitting there in the front seat is normal behavior. That slowing a car down and looking back at your charge until he is fatally shot is normal. |
I'm sure that psychologists would say that is normal in that situtation. Its the early 1960s, america is still in its innocence. You're driving one of the most popular presidents, who is also irish american, so wouldn't you be having the best day of your life. You hear a comotion and are not sure of whats going on, you turn around, your body freezes and your brain can't comprehend what your eyes are seeing. Then adrenaline kicks in and you do what you should do, drive. I think they call it post-traumatic stress reaction.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_stress_disorder
so yea it is normal |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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I would agree that:
The Warren Commission "acted in good faith" in that it had to heal the nation.
But we must "argue these points" or we can not go on. I just don't believe in magic bullets and there can be no alternative theory if you do.
"And I do not need to see any more evidence that the Warren Commission's version has holes in it."
Yes you do ,if you still believe it. Please spend some time reading what are not simply holes , but a complete destruction of this "historical document" It is a postumous trial of Lee Oswald.
The "document" has been totally destroyed over and over again.
This is good:
I will only argue against you helpfully and in a constructive way so that you might state the whole thing clearly and in its entirety.
Now, you have eliminated the military-industrial complex and implicitly Vietnam but implicated the Secret Service -- either as an institution or a collection of agents. Who else then?
You have not satisfied my tit for tat. I am not interested in hearing about one of the false flags that were floated that day. We all know there were many, and it influenced the government and the Warren Commission into accepting the cover story, since the consequences were devistating to the nation.
Bobby Kennedy told his family shortly after that assassination that there was a high level plot to kill his brother , but there wasnt anything he could do about it.
The Kennedy family has never pursued the murder because it would have revealed to many things about JFK and the Kennedy family, including the patriarch , Joe.
If you look into the family background, you will see why. JFK was an ill man who should have been beaten by Nixon. The Chicago mob came through will the neccessary votes only to be pursued my Attorney General Robert F Kennedy shortly after his brother got into the White House.
Although I don't believe in the "mob did it" theory either, it is not without importance that the Kennedys found themselves short on friends and long on enemies. Someone might have tipped him off of the impending plot had he had a few friends left. The mob did it theory has been a good false flag , providing more distraction than even the "Cubans did it, or Alpha 66 " nonsense.
Today is JFK's birthday. He would have been 90. Many of us have mothers and grandmothers that old.
He didnt make 50.
The American University Speech was given a few months before his death and is another example of Kennedys search for peace. Imagine one of the Bushes giving a speech like this. Not.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset+Tree/Asset+Viewers/Audio+Video+Asset+Viewer.htm?guid={AD102C43-3F44-42AD-A514-F2EE94878B89}&type=Audio |
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