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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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The shortage of donation has a very simple solution.
Allow people to sell their organs.
People act out of self interest 100% of the time, and if you give them an monetary incentive (even in death, as the money could go to their family members) the # of people willing to not be buried with their organs (which is a f***ing sin!) will increase.
People should also be free to sell their kidneys, or whatever the hell they want. If it's not your body to sell then who owns it? Certiainly not you. |
I agree but in a country where you're not allowed to make many choices about your body (i.e. drugs, suicide, etc) why would you expect the government to allow you to do this. |
Good point. Is not allowing the sell of organs any way to run a Capitalist society? It's a simple case for the law of supply and demand. It certainly would increase the number of donors. I'll tell ya right now that if I needed a kidney and I could buy it for $100,000, you can bet your sweet ass I'd be paying up. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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The shortage of donation has a very simple solution.
Allow people to sell their organs.
People act out of self interest 100% of the time, and if you give them an monetary incentive (even in death, as the money could go to their family members) the # of people willing to not be buried with their organs (which is a f***ing sin!) will increase.
People should also be free to sell their kidneys, or whatever the hell they want. If it's not your body to sell then who owns it? Certiainly not you. |
I agree but in a country where you're not allowed to make many choices about your body (i.e. drugs, suicide, etc) why would you expect the government to allow you to do this. |
Good point. Is not allowing the sell of organs any way to run a Capitalist society? It's a simple case for the law of supply and demand. It certainly would increase the number of donors. I'll tell ya right now that if I needed a kidney and I could buy it for $100,000, you can bet your sweet ass I'd be paying up. |
Unfortunately, we have too many people who can be taken advantage of in the U.S. Could you imagine how much more dangerous it would be to be homeless if selling organs were legal? |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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The shortage of donation has a very simple solution.
Allow people to sell their organs.
People act out of self interest 100% of the time, and if you give them an monetary incentive (even in death, as the money could go to their family members) the # of people willing to not be buried with their organs (which is a f***ing sin!) will increase.
People should also be free to sell their kidneys, or whatever the hell they want. If it's not your body to sell then who owns it? Certiainly not you. |
I agree but in a country where you're not allowed to make many choices about your body (i.e. drugs, suicide, etc) why would you expect the government to allow you to do this. |
Good point. Is not allowing the sell of organs any way to run a Capitalist society? It's a simple case for the law of supply and demand. It certainly would increase the number of donors. I'll tell ya right now that if I needed a kidney and I could buy it for $100,000, you can bet your sweet ass I'd be paying up. |
Unfortunately, we have too many people who can be taken advantage of in the U.S. Could you imagine how much more dangerous it would be to be homeless if selling organs were legal? |
It's already happening ...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0116_040116_EXPLorgantraffic.html |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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The shortage of donation has a very simple solution.
Allow people to sell their organs.
People act out of self interest 100% of the time, and if you give them an monetary incentive (even in death, as the money could go to their family members) the # of people willing to not be buried with their organs (which is a f***ing sin!) will increase.
People should also be free to sell their kidneys, or whatever the hell they want. If it's not your body to sell then who owns it? Certiainly not you. |
I agree but in a country where you're not allowed to make many choices about your body (i.e. drugs, suicide, etc) why would you expect the government to allow you to do this. |
Good point. Is not allowing the sell of organs any way to run a Capitalist society? It's a simple case for the law of supply and demand. It certainly would increase the number of donors. I'll tell ya right now that if I needed a kidney and I could buy it for $100,000, you can bet your sweet ass I'd be paying up. |
Unfortunately, we have too many people who can be taken advantage of in the U.S. Could you imagine how much more dangerous it would be to be homeless if selling organs were legal? |
It's already happening ...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0116_040116_EXPLorgantraffic.html |
Damn.... I'd heard about the Kidney Village and I sadly can't say I'm surprised that illegal kidney transplants are happening in the U.S.
I personally hope I never need an organ. It's hard enough to get a kidney if you are Caucasian in the U.S., it gets worse if you are a minority or are a member of a small ethnic group. And don't get me started on bone marrow....I have 2 brothers and a sister...I'd hope we'd match and that's not a given....
Stuff like this makes me see why cloning organs could be an important step in saving the lives of people who need organs... |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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The shortage of donation has a very simple solution.
Allow people to sell their organs.
People act out of self interest 100% of the time, and if you give them an monetary incentive (even in death, as the money could go to their family members) the # of people willing to not be buried with their organs (which is a f***ing sin!) will increase.
People should also be free to sell their kidneys, or whatever the hell they want. If it's not your body to sell then who owns it? Certiainly not you. |
I agree but in a country where you're not allowed to make many choices about your body (i.e. drugs, suicide, etc) why would you expect the government to allow you to do this. |
Good point. Is not allowing the sell of organs any way to run a Capitalist society? It's a simple case for the law of supply and demand. It certainly would increase the number of donors. I'll tell ya right now that if I needed a kidney and I could buy it for $100,000, you can bet your sweet ass I'd be paying up. |
Unfortunately, we have too many people who can be taken advantage of in the U.S. Could you imagine how much more dangerous it would be to be homeless if selling organs were legal? |
so wrong.
black market prices are inflated because of risk and also because the supply is artificially= organs cost more now
this means that there is an exponentially higher incentive to harvest organs now than if it were legal. if it were legal the value would go down- plus someone in a $ bind would be more likely to sell a kidney than kill a homeless person. its all about risk and incentive. the black market would reduce...think about prohibition- legalization to sell a product and bringing it out in the open makes the demand for a black market moot.
also- its someone's body- they own it. would you want to legislate against me selling my house b/c some evil real estate person might rip me off? |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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The shortage of donation has a very simple solution.
Allow people to sell their organs.
People act out of self interest 100% of the time, and if you give them an monetary incentive (even in death, as the money could go to their family members) the # of people willing to not be buried with their organs (which is a f***ing sin!) will increase.
People should also be free to sell their kidneys, or whatever the hell they want. If it's not your body to sell then who owns it? Certiainly not you. |
I agree but in a country where you're not allowed to make many choices about your body (i.e. drugs, suicide, etc) why would you expect the government to allow you to do this. |
Good point. Is not allowing the sell of organs any way to run a Capitalist society? It's a simple case for the law of supply and demand. It certainly would increase the number of donors. I'll tell ya right now that if I needed a kidney and I could buy it for $100,000, you can bet your sweet ass I'd be paying up. |
Unfortunately, we have too many people who can be taken advantage of in the U.S. Could you imagine how much more dangerous it would be to be homeless if selling organs were legal? |
so wrong.
black market prices are inflated because of risk and also because the supply is artificially= organs cost more now
this means that there is an exponentially higher incentive to harvest organs now than if it were legal. if it were legal the value would go down- plus someone in a $ bind would be more likely to sell a kidney than kill a homeless person. its all about risk and incentive. the black market would reduce...think about prohibition- legalization to sell a product and bringing it out in the open makes the demand for a black market moot.
also- its someone's body- they own it. would you want to legislate against me selling my house b/c some evil real estate person might rip me off? |
Right....so if homeless people were able to harvest their kidney or whatever and then developed medical problems as a result, you would have no problem having to effectively pay for their care? People complain about having to pay higher rates because of smokers and the obese...you want to add people who legitimately sell their organs to the list?
Money now doesn't mean money later. Besides, by your own reply, the price would go down, so there would be even less incentive to do something that carries a higher risk of medical risks in the future.... |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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No way! Actually, I am completely against paying for ANYONE'S health care but my own and maybe my family's. The government taking my money by the threat of force is another subject altogether.
The point is, people either own their bodies, and the right to do whatever stupid things they want with them- or they don't.
Plus, your argument could be made to support control of anything dangerous that would cause death- such as bungee jumping, being fat, promiscuous, riding bike without a helmet, driving, having a large dog, owning kitchen knives, having a hair dryer near a bathtub......
most everything people do comes with an element of risk. but we should all be allowed the freedom to choose between those risks, as what is best for me is not best for you, and in the end, i should be free to do what I want with my own life and body.
So my suggestion is people should be free and own their bodies, not the government or other meddling ninnies. What is your suggestion to remedy this awful epidemic? |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
No way! Actually, I am completely against paying for ANYONE'S health care but my own and maybe my family's. The government taking my money by the threat of force is another subject altogether.
The point is, people either own their bodies, and the right to do whatever stupid things they want with them- or they don't.
Plus, your argument could be made to support control of anything dangerous that would cause death- such as bungee jumping, being fat, promiscuous, riding bike without a helmet, driving, having a large dog, owning kitchen knives, having a hair dryer near a bathtub......
most everything people do comes with an element of risk. but we should all be allowed the freedom to choose between those risks, as what is best for me is not best for you, and in the end, i should be free to do what I want with my own life and body.
So my suggestion is people should be free and own their bodies, not the government or other meddling ninnies. What is your suggestion to remedy this awful epidemic? |
You are against paying for others' health care but that's what you do if you pay taxes in the U.S. Medicare and Medicaid is around for a reason and guess who pays for it....
My argument wasn't that it shouldn't happen because it's dangerous. I simply stated how less fortunate people can be taken advantaged of or even murdered for their organs. Think about it? If someone kills a hobo, who will care or notice? I was simply stating an obvious drawback to such an arrangement.
Obviously people will do what they think is best for them but it is foolish to assume that it won't effect you or your wallet in anyway.
My suggestion for this epidemic?
*Better information about the pros and cons of selling an organ
*An impartial and informed advocate(s) for both the organ donor and organ receiver
*Some sort of access to regular health check-ups for the donor
*More government programs that show how voluntary organ donation is a good thing...dispel the myths that surround voluntary organ donation
*Contracts - Proof that the person is not under duress when they decide to sell the organ and that the receiver of the organ is fully aware of the source...
I'm sure there are lots more and I just thought of these off the top of my head. If someone wants to sell their *beep* (are you serious? I can't write t esticles  ), I could care less, I just want to make sure that no one is cheated after giving or receiving something so precious as an organ... |
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