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Stay, go, or pee in a chair?
Go to New Mexico now, together.
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Stay in Korea, relax, you got more time to kill.
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Go to New Mexico alone. You did your year, and she didn't return the favor by getting ready. Tough skittles.
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denz



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: soapland. alternatively - the school of rock!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, you all know my position on this, but i believe it's best said after a few pints... erm... byongs of beer.

love them all, let god kill them off.

denz
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Hotel Cheonan



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: Gwangju

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZyZyfer'

I agree with what Harpeau said earlier. I think listening to others is ok, but when it comes right down to it, the decision is best left up to you. I think when it comes time to make your decision, you'll be surprised about how easy you came up with it. I know this might not help, but that's what I think.

hope all goes well
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't want to go to New Mexico....
I couldn't blame your chick if she doesn't either
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kill her, then yourself.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anae wrote:
If I were you, I would definitely ask Trinny for advice. Maybe some third solution could be worked out - like her living in a major city (nearby) while you teach on the reservation and you two meet on the weekends etc.


I currently live in Cheonana, and she lives in Suwon, so the weekend thing is annoying but very, very doable.

Blue Flower wrote:
She will go absolutely crazy, and hate her situation, and probably you, if all she can do for that time is sit at home, and watch General Hospital - the plot may be improving, but it will never be intellectually stimulating.


Well, I don't really intend to drag her somewhere and just throw her in the house and tell her to cook. If that was my intention, I wouldn't even think twice about the matter; I'd just go to New Mexico and let her figure stuff out for herself. As it is, I won't go if I can't find anything for her to do there and she wants to stay together, even if I do decide to leave Korea. I'll go somewhere else, where we're on the same footing - like London.

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Then on the other hand - if you stay in Korea (God knows why you would want to given the prospects! - chica or no chica) you will be stuck in a dead end, teaching at Hagwons, getting poked up the ass, etc.


Just shows how I feel, I suppose.

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Is it possible for you to go - sort your *beep* out, get a house, scout round the area, etc etc, and then have her join you once your settled, maybe in the first school holidays - to see if she likes it, before making the big committment up front. that way you can be settled, and she can just slip into the groove. Or she can see straight away that its just not for her, and save you both a lot of heartache.


It's definitely possible, but once I sign on the dotted line, I'm expected to fulfill a two-year obligation. If she didn't like it there, two years is an awfully long time to deal with sorting it out. Sometimes it's good to wing it like that, and sometimes it's not. My gut tells me that this particular situation requires no wingage.

katydid wrote:
I had a good chance to talk with So-hee, (bit not to you...what's up with that)


Sorry, I blame Hotel Cheonana for that. He babbled on for aeons with me about Cheonana stuff, and I pretty much missed meeting half the cast.

captain kirk wrote:
you haven't mentioned her family. is she really in tight with her mother, father, brothers, sisters, cousins, etc....most koreans are, joyously/seamlessly.


Yes and no. She's had a lot of problems with her parents, and doesn't feel too connected with them in particular, but she does feel a lot of love for others in her family, especially her grandmother. In the past, she's told me that she wanted to escape her situation with her parents, but I really don't know that much about the situation.

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does she want to have kids? most koreans do, as a matter of course. you don't want to get married. getting married is for having kids, a legally binding contract to ensure the kids get a solid base. i'll bet you she wants kids. you haven't mentioned her hard knocks previously. is she in with her family, or more like an 'orphan'? you say it's hard to decide because you are thinking of the other, and how they'll make out. sounds like a close call.


I think she does. And it's not that I don't want to get married; I just don't want to do it now, and for the wrong reasons.

She could be considered more like an orphan; she doesn't live with any family, and she's kinda bad about going home to see the parents; she doesn't do it enough for their liking.

Harpeau wrote:
You might want to reflect with ne another if and when you want to marry- what age range? If and when you want to have children- at what age range?


We had the marriage age talk, and we both basically felt like a few years down the line was a good time for both of us. Didn't discuss the kids thing.

mole wrote:
Are there online courses you could take
from here to start working toward the qualifications for the
New Mexico job?


It's not like that. I'm already qualified for the job, and, while there's a rigorous application process, I don't have to do anything except typical job application stuff. The job would essentially qualify me for teaching, though.

eamo wrote:
Also I don't want a good buddy to leave Korea!!!


This is the flip side of the coin; I've recently been on an upswing and feeling better about things relating to my life in Korea. I've got stuff, I've got pals, I've got a system and can get by pretty comfortably. I could probably sit through a couple more years, if I really had to. But I don't want to get stuck here indefinitely.

Mashimaro wrote:
I wouldn't want to go to New Mexico....
I couldn't blame your chick if she doesn't either


Thanks for the constructive criticism?
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
kill her, then yourself.


the only true answer
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FierceInvalid



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no frame of reference for this kind of thing, but Eamo and Blue Flower both sound pretty reasonable to me.
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uber1024



Joined: 28 Jul 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll throw my two cents into the hat because I'm in the same position in reverse. I am dying to come to Korea. I want to be there, but I have my own "Invisible Chica" here in New York and I don't know if she would come with me or if we would stay together if I came alone. It's still a relatively new thing (less than a year), so we're not yet totally sure that we're "the ones" for each other yet.

But I tell you that if I decide over the next few months that she even might be a soulmate of mine then my decision to go to Korea now has two people that need to agree on it and I would neither go nor stay without 100% agreement on both of our parts. There's no debate on that. If she decides that, knowing how much I want to come to Korea, that there is no way that she could do it if even for a year, then there are no regrets for me. I'm staying in New York and will live a happy life.

But, if things go any other way then I will buy you and your "the Chica" a round of drinks when I get there.

Seriously, you have to both agree on this, IMO. There would be regrets either way if you didn't. And you have to TOTALLY agree. Both of you. Otherwise something will be in the back of at least one of your minds for the rest of your lives.
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Blue Flower



Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
If you lose a girl who you think might be your soulmate, you'll regret it the rest of your life.


Regret is a bitter pill to swallow indeed.

zyzyfer wrote:
I'm also not prepared financially for marriage; I'm just out of college, really, and I put myself in a huge debt to even get to where I am now. I don't want to get married simply because it's there to do; I want to do it right, when it feels right.


What about a long engagement, which shows that you are committed to each other. An engagment can last for many years. That might help with the parents, family, etc. Unless you want one of those spontaneous, "lets get married" kinda things.

But it is something that needs to be discussed together. Don't you wish that we all had special crystal balls so we could gaze into the future and see which one we want. If I had my tarot cards with me I would do you a reading, but, alas, I do not.

Is it at all possible for you both to visit New Mexico, before you sign the dotted line, and that way she can see what its like. But hey, I like the London idea best, thats where I'll be next year!

Good luck - god I am so glad its you two, and not me that has to make this decision.
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astroboy



Joined: 06 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my opinion :

it could be diffficult for her to live in New Mexico
but it could be more difficult for you and her to live without each other in different worlds.

plus you know korean girls are tougher and stronger than they look.

god.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the career paths don't match. Doesn't look good.

You also got to consider having a family. When she's pregnant, you'll have the opportunity to try your own thing for awhile.



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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
Sounds like the career paths don't match. Doesn't look good.

You also got to consider having a family. When she's pregnant, you'll have the opportunity to try your own thing for awhile.


My #1 rule is that I refuse to take an infant or toddler onto an airplane unless absolutely necessary. The way I see it, it's like taking a kitten and chucking it into a room full of Korean middle school boys.

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As mentioned before, Chica's mood swings have gotten the better of her, and now she's feeling the travel vibe again.
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globalgrrrl



Joined: 10 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in a slightly similar situation... I got accepted into grad school while I was in Korea and couldn't decide between school and my bf. I guess the decision was easier for me, though, bc I was slowly beginning to realize that he wasn't the one that I wanted to be with and the time apart helped me realize that even more. It sounds to me that you really care about your gf... but perhaps, the time apart will allow you to see more clearly of what you want?

I'm still in the ESL bis here in the states. I've been able to see quite a few teachers who've taught abroad in Asia kind of get stuck when they come back... they've been in Japan or Korea for like 5 or 10 years, but find out that they can't make it here due the lack of further education or experiences or whatever. I think it's important for you to vary and expand your professional experience, esp. since you're still young... unless ESL/EFL is all you want to do. But even then, don't you want to grow on a professional and personal level by expanding on that?

I commend you for not taking the marriage route. If you know you're not ready, that shouldn't be an option. Like the other posters, the decision is ultimately your own. Good luck with whatever you decide. ( I feel like I'm writing for dear abby! Wink )
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm of the opinion you shouldn't ever sacrifice anything for a woman, (unless of course you have made the lifetime commitment to her of marriage). If you haven't done that, which you haven't, then you seriously need to pursue whats in your heart, and it doesn't sound like Korea is it.

Women come and go out of your life, and just when you make a decision for one, suddenly she might make an opposite decision, and then you are screwed.

I've hit crossroads like this as well in my life, and if you aren't happy, you can't make anyone else happy. I'm guessing you should definetely go to New Mexico as its very much in-line with your interests in every conceivable way.

The relationship will have to either revolve around it, or despite of it. If it continues, then you know you have something. If it falls to the wayside, then at least you were able to share your Korean experience with someone special and you have to just think of it as that.

Also, remember its not an either/or choice. You can pursue your New Mexico plans and attempt to continue a relationship long-distance with plans to meet each other during the breaks and so on.

Either way, go for the New Mexico gig. Also, I'd highly recommend going solo to start with. (I made the mistake of bringing a girl with me to the next great adventure once.. and it can be hell to try to figure out what you need to be doing while accomodating her needs as well. Basically it just doesn't work unless she has a very specific purpose beyond just you for accompanying you).
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an additional post as I read others. This thing about finding 'soul-mates'. Your girlfriend is a cool girl, but a 'soul-mate' would be one who has a similar destiny.

Your destiny doesn't seem to lie in Korea, I think it leads to New Mexico. Her destiny is one she has to figure out. If her destiny leads to New Mexico, then perhaps its right.

I've come to the crossroads as well with different women, and once I made the decision to do the things I needed to do, I always look back not at the girl that I lost, but on what I would have lost had I stayed with that girl.

If the girl has a similar path to you, then thats the girl you want to be with, and she'll find her way back into your life.

Actually, I have a nice story to share regarding this as well. There was a girl I was dating during my entire time in California. I left her and the entire situation for various reasons mainly because I wanted to be back here in Korea. Anyhow, there is a good chance she may be coming over here and staying with me for a couple months Wink

So what I'm saying is that you should go to New Mexico and do what you need to do. She will have to make her own decisions on what she needs to do, and if she wants to visit you in NM later or stay extended time, then all the better. But most importantly, I think you need to go, and I think you need to get situatated there for a minimum of three months to set your routine, get things situated, and reflect on Korea and your relationship with the invisible chica, and then you can make a much better decision regarding the relationship at that point.

Who knows.. maybe it'll all workout. But I think to stay in Korea only because of her would be a big mistake. Also, women love it moreso if their man is happy because you'd make her more happy as well. Sounds like NM is priority #1 at this time, and let everything else fall into place around it.
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