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Octavius Hite
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| Well, not to let Bush off so lightly, one of the biggest problems, in this humble narrator's opinion, is that the US has abdicated the moral high ground. The US can't stop Russia cause it started it with this missile shield stuff. And China gets away with murder by pointing to the US as a distraction. |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Well, not to let Bush off so lightly, one of the biggest problems, in this humble narrator's opinion, is that the US has abdicated the moral high ground. The US can't stop Russia cause it started it with this missile shield stuff. And China gets away with murder by pointing to the US as a distraction. |
I don't think the moral high ground has got anything to do with it
noone fucks with china because china is more powerful than anyone else and they will be richer soon
America still fucks with countries who don't fight back every day despite not having the 'moral high ground' |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Treefarmer wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Well, not to let Bush off so lightly, one of the biggest problems, in this humble narrator's opinion, is that the US has abdicated the moral high ground. The US can't stop Russia cause it started it with this missile shield stuff. And China gets away with murder by pointing to the US as a distraction. |
I don't think the moral high ground has got anything to do with it
noone *beep* with china because china is more powerful than anyone else and they will be richer soon
America still *beep* with countries who don't fight back every day despite not having the 'moral high ground' |
An-Yoh! |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the moral high ground has got anything to do with it
noone *beep* with china because china is more powerful than anyone else and they will be richer soon
America still *beep* with countries who don't fight back every day despite not having the 'moral high ground' |
Well, it was just a thought. I wasn't comparing the US to China.
The fact remains though that the US did start this new fight Russia over a stupid weapons system that won't even work, lol. |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the moral high ground has got anything to do with it
noone *beep* with china because china is more powerful than anyone else and they will be richer soon
America still *beep* with countries who don't fight back every day despite not having the 'moral high ground' |
Well, it was just a thought. I wasn't comparing the US to China.
The fact remains though that the US did start this new fight Russia over a stupid weapons system that won't even work, lol. |
well my opinion is just my opinion as well 
sorry if i come across as aggresive with all the swearing and whatnot, i'm not used to messageboards which aren't full of swearing  |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Its ok, i understand.
I just think, maybe I have been watching too much Obama, that the US has to reclaim the moral high ground, otherwise it will never be able to engage productively on the world stage again. |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the US ever had the moral high ground outside of the US tbh
America has been ripping off poor Americans and poor countries all over the world since they gained independence from England
Thats why our countries are rich imo, I'm English, and it's not like we have the money because England or America is better run or less corrupt, it's because we are better at stealing |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| in my view, a world with fewer falong gung or christians walking around in it is a good thing... hopefully their organs wont pollute whoever gets them. |
Be careful what you say. You may need an organ transplant really soon. Like maybe a heart? 
Or maybe a brain...can you get one of those? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the US ever had the moral high ground outside of the US tbh
America has been ripping off poor Americans and poor countries all over the world since they gained independence from England
Thats why our countries are rich imo, I'm English, and it's not like we have the money because England or America is better run or less corrupt, it's because we are better at stealing |
Have you ever heard of 'labour force productivity'? OR, do you only parrot what some flunky prof told you?
A simple question.. Why would a factory worker in the USA earn more than a factory worker in Italy? Because the US steals from Italy? |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| A simple question.. Why would a factory worker in the USA earn more than a factory worker in Italy? Because the US steals from Italy? |
The US did help the reconstruction of the Sicilian Mafia and Camoranese after Mussolini destroyed them because they were scared of the fact that southern Italian workers were more sympathetic to the Italian Communist Party than bourgeoise Italian politicians who allowed southern Italian workers to be exploited by the US, Germany and North Italy (via mass emigration to work for peanuts)
so in a way yes. the bit about emigration is opinion, but them funding the mafia is fact
The idea that America ever had the moral high ground is ridiculous imo, why would america have funded people like the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Ehud Olmert or Idi Amin if they were the 'benevolent dictatorship' Americans seem to see themselves as? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Treefarmer wrote: |
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| A simple question.. Why would a factory worker in the USA earn more than a factory worker in Italy? Because the US steals from Italy? |
The US did help the reconstruction of the Sicilian Mafia and Camoranese after Mussolini destroyed them because they were scared of the fact that southern Italian workers were more sympathetic to the Italian Communist Party than bourgeoise Italian politicians who allowed southern Italian workers to be exploited by the US, Germany and North Italy (via mass emigration to work for peanuts)
so in a way yes. the bit about emigration is opinion, but them funding the mafia is fact
The idea that America ever had the moral high ground is ridiculous imo, why would america have funded people like the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Ehud Olmert or Idi Amin if they were the 'benevolent dictatorship' Americans seem to see themselves as? |
So, just to be clear, you are saying that the wages of a factory worker today is due to America stealing from Italy. I want you to be very clear. |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| So, just to be clear, you are saying that the wages of a factory worker today is due to America stealing from Italy. I want you to be very clear. |
I didn't say that, you did  |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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You said:
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| Thats why our countries are rich imo, I'm English, and it's not like we have the money because England or America is better run or less corrupt, it's because we are better at stealing |
So, the UK and USA are wealthy due to theft, yes or no?
Related, Koreans have a higher factory wage rate than the Thais. Koreans were colonized (stolen from) and the Thais not. Should your theory hold, the Koreans should be less wealthy. How do you explain this? |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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You said:
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| Thats why our countries are rich imo, I'm English, and it's not like we have the money because England or America is better run or less corrupt, it's because we are better at stealing |
So, the UK and USA are wealthy due to theft, yes or no?
Related, Koreans have a higher factory wage rate than the Thais. Koreans were colonized (stolen from) and the Thais not. Should your theory hold, the Koreans should be less wealthy. How do you explain this? |
My understanding is that one of the reasones that Thais, same as Fillipinos, Indonesians etc have such terrible factory conditions because they are often employed (indirectly) by American companies who don't pay tax or contribute anything towards their workers welfare (because it's indirect) whereas Korea have a system where corporations are Korean national interests rather than Americans
This is my guess as to why there was so much rubbish that was 'Made in Korea' in the 80s before Korea was a wealthy nation, whereas now it is 'Made in Thailand' or 'Made in The Philipines' because they were still under a capitalist dictatorship like the Justice Party and the Republicans
and BTW Thailand was a British colony in all but name before England abandoned colonialism |
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Treefarmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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and to answer the question directly
yes, the US and the EU are rich in my opinion due to theft of labour and resources |
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