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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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like mateomiguel said, porn has always been around, they've found porn cave paintings etc and even in the pre internet days when you didn't see porn everywhere, porn was still a massive industry
i think it's better that if women want to pose naked on the internet then they can, rather than pretending that they are shrinking violets etc, but most women don't want to pose on the internet. the only problem i have with that is the *beep* who get rich and pay them hardly anything, same as any industry
i'm kind of in 2 minds to be honest, because i'm not too keen on this whole exhibitionist culture, but i'm a man, and men seem to complain about it more than women, so it could really be a reflection of female empowerment 
like in korea the women aren't allowed to smoke, and not that many show off their legs or stomachs, but there is loads more prostitution than anywhere i've ever been |
Not that many show off their legs? I'm in JEONJU and my eyes pop out of my head when I see what some of the women here are wearing and I'm a woman!
I'm on the fence about this whole thing I suppose. I find it to be honestly a little weird. I don't define myself or my sexuality on how others perceive me, so I don't feel a need to get validation on my "perfection" from other people. I won't knock other women for doing it but I don't really understand the reasoning for it. Plus there seems to be quite a difference in terms of what they wear and what it actually means...I mean "slutty" is still not a nice term, so when will the tide turn on this view? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Not that many show off their legs? I'm in JEONJU and my eyes pop out of my head when I see what some of the women here are wearing and I'm a woman!
Plus there seems to be quite a difference in terms of what they wear and what it actually means...I mean "slutty" is still not a nice term, so when will the tide turn on this view? |
Korean women know very wel how to dress & act sexually provocatively ... duh ... open your eyes people.
re: "slutty" my little Turtle friend, clearly this provocative word is one best kept for bedrooms & private conversation
Mmmmmmm, slutty ... yes, just like sticky gooey silly putty ...  |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Korean women know very wel how to dress & act sexually provocatively ... duh ... open your eyes people. |
dress, yes.
act, no.
its frustrating seeing so many sexily-dressed girls who walk around as if the big wide world was too much for them, i.e. entirely too naively! |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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dress, yes.
act, no.
its frustrating seeing so many sexily-dressed girls who walk around as if the big wide world was too much for them, i.e. entirely too naively! |
Ah yes, thank-you for that little clarification.
You're absolutely BANG ON ~!
And then there's the heaps of lousy K-porn ... would somebody PLEASE turn the channel ... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...
Y'know ORWELL actually had a word for this essentially referring to the crappy sex sheeeite the Ministry of Love
used to bombard the hoi poloi with as a form of cheap dull sedative & debasing mind control weapon.
Hmmmmm ... ya don't say?
Unfortunately the word currrently appears to have escaped me.
Arrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh !!
Oh well, must no be very important then, eh? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Living In A Porn-Driven, 'Look-At-Me' Culture |
Indeed. I wouldn't want to live in the US. Way too trashy much of the time.
Korea's conservative nature (at least on the surface) has a certain charm sometimes. |
America is everything to everybody. For some, too conservative and religious, for others, too libertine. Whatever one doesn't like in the world they will find in America.
In reality, it is a nation of 300 million individuals. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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Y'know ORWELL actually had a word for this essentially referring to the crappy sex sheeeite the Ministry of Love
used to bombard the hoi poloi with as a form of cheap dull sedative & debasing mind control weapon. |
The department was called Pornosec. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Camon! Sex is normal. Relax!
The world will not stop turning if NBC shows Debbie Does Dallas on Thursday at 9pm. Don't fear! |
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Masta_Don
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Plus there seems to be quite a difference in terms of what they wear and what it actually means...I mean "slutty" is still not a nice term, so when will the tide turn on this view? |
Strangely enough, it may be that it's not 'slutty' to them. I hate to get all cultural relativist, but you could be reading more into than it actually is.
When I lived in Germany our school bus would pass by a cigarette advertisement everyday. And everyday we would all snicker. The reason being that this ad had a mermaid giving a man a cigarette and, as we all know, mermaids are topless. This was a normal ad in a normal part of town with tig o' bitties hanging out becuz the Germans don't care about tig o' bitties! Most of Europe doesn't either. As such they are surprised or appalled by seeing them, while Koreans would run screaming and Americans would clutch their crucifixes.
Just becuz you find it provocative doesn't mean they or anyone else does. Are you turned on by a catching a glimpse of ankle or the underside of a woman's wrist? Cuz those things we quite risque a time ago and the people of that time might have felt the same way about seeing ankle as you feel now about seeing lots of leg. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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America is everything to everybody. For some, too conservative and religious, for others, too libertine. Whatever one doesn't like in the world they will find in America.
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It basically breaks down like this:
If you're from western Europe, Canada, and maybe Australasia, you think America is this borderline theocracy obsessed with sexual regulation.
If you're from almost anywhere else, you think America is a hotbed of depraved carnality.
The reason for this seeming contradiction:
America is arguably more sexually conservative than most places in the western world. But it pretty much sides with the rest of the western world in terms of being more conservative than Asia, Africa, etc. However, since America is identfied as being the pre-eminent western country, it gets stuck with the "white man wh*remonger" label tossed around by third-world ideologues, even though it is relatively puritan in comparison to most other western countries.
The only actual contradiction comes about when some western leftists mock Americans for being puritans, while simulataneously claiming sympathy with third worlders supposedly being innundated with American "trash". The kind of people who one minute will roll their eyebrows about the FCC levying fines against a TV network over Janet Jackson's nipple, and the next minute fret that Tanzanians must be traumatized over seeing Britney shake her ass on cable. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Living In A Porn-Driven, 'Look-At-Me' Culture |
Indeed. I wouldn't want to live in the US. Way too trashy much of the time.
Korea's conservative nature (at least on the surface) has a certain charm sometimes. |
America is everything to everybody. For some, too conservative and religious, for others, too libertine. Whatever one doesn't like in the world they will find in America.
In reality, it is a nation of 300 million individuals. |
Are you from the U.S.? I am asking this question sincerely, but individualism is dead and buried in the U.S. Only the ideological skeleton remains. Spend an hour on South Beach (well, for most that is hard to do!) and you will see the "individual" women (and men!) strolling by with their enhanced chests. It is an epidemic. Can you have such an occurance amongst free thinking, or thinking at all, individuals. The look like robotic Pam Anderson clones. I can tell you that the hot look this summer is a denim skirt of 8". I could not count how many girls and women were sporting it. Now I have no grounds on which to complain about the length- I wore shorter back in the day, but it is ubiquitous and not about rebellion or statement, it is about conformity to a standard. And that standard at the moment is porn star sluttiness.
The venerable New York Times wasted good space today on a new pop star named "Lil Mama" (I think that was the name). Her claim to fame and 8 column inches in the NYT? She has 15 different colors of pink lip gloss. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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No, I am not from the USA. But here in Singapore, the short skirt is a way of life. I see more skin on a daily basis than I ever did on any of my trips to the USA. It is here, like there, a superficial sexuality. How a woman dresses is not necessarily related to her propensity to screw random dudes/gals.
Didn't bigbird have a thread about how sexually anal the USA is?
OTOH hit it on the head. Whatever you hate, America is the center of it. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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No, I am not from the USA. But here in Singapore, the short skirt is a way of life. I see more skin on a daily basis than I ever did on any of my trips to the USA. It is here, like there, a superficial sexuality. How a woman dresses is not necessarily related to her propensity to screw random dudes/gals.
Didn't bigbird have a thread about how sexually anal the USA is?
OTOH hit it on the head. Whatever you hate, America is the center of it. |
The only point I was making is that the US is not a country of 300 million "individuals", but is rather as conformist in many ways as Asian cultures.
While I agree somewhat with what you say about the relationship between dress and sexual activity, it is not always, or even the majority of the time, the case. I do think that teenagers especially are more sexually active these days- you do hear about blow job parties in middle school. I don't feel particularly moralistic about the fact of sexual activity amongst teens (in most of the world this is the norm, and it is usually socially contained within early marriage) I don't like the conformist, socially pressured aspect to it. There is a young generation of girls who are internalizing the idea that their worth is predicated on their sexual prowess. I had hope this would have faded by now, but instead there is a huge resurgence. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| The only point I was making is that the US is not a country of 300 million "individuals", but is rather as conformist in many ways as Asian cultures. |
Yeah, fair enough.
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While I agree somewhat with what you say about the relationship between dress and sexual activity, it is not always, or even the majority of the time, the case. I do think that teenagers especially are more sexually active these days- you do hear about blow job parties in middle school.
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I've read of that too. But I also read of it while in HS and, unless I was left out, it was a fabrication of the media.
BUT, assuming it is true. I just don't care. I don't think it is inappropriate for teens to engage in voluntary sexual experiences at all.
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I don't feel particularly moralistic about the fact of sexual activity amongst teens (in most of the world this is the norm, and it is usually socially contained within early marriage) I don't like the conformist, socially pressured aspect to it. |
I think that getting laid, and wanting to get laid, is a really human thing. No? I don't know if it is an issue of conformity or simply that teens are horny.
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There is a young generation of girls who are internalizing the idea that their worth is predicated on their sexual prowess. I had hope this would have faded by now, but instead there is a huge resurgence. |
Agreed. The girls should be taught that sex is enjoyable, acceptable and normal. They should not be taught that, one the one hand, it is dirty and the other, they should identify their worth in it.
I don't think we disagree on anything of substance. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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While I agree somewhat with what you say about the relationship between dress and sexual activity, it is not always, or even the majority of the time, the case. I do think that teenagers especially are more sexually active these days- you do hear about blow job parties in middle school.
I've read of that too. But I also read of it while in HS and, unless I was left out, it was a fabrication of the media.
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The New Yorker Magazine(or maybe it was The Atlantic) had an article on "rainbow parties" late last year. If I recall, the writer seemed to be hedging her bets on whether or not it was an actual phenomenon, but seemed to come down on the side of saying that it had actually happened somewhere, but the frequency was exaggerated. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| The kind of people who one minute will roll their eyebrows about the FCC levying fines against a TV network over Janet Jackson's nipple, and the next minute fret that Tanzanians must be traumatized over seeing Britney shake her ass on cable. |
Both are quite eye-roll worthy |
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