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BuHaoChi
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Where can I link to the story in English? |
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3119381&page=1
This is obviously one of those funny lawsuits.
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Ha! I�m in stitches over this!
Koreans complaining about racism in the U.S.?
Puh-leeeze!
When you guys stop making �F-ing USA� videos, stop saying we�re all dirty AIDS-ridden pedophiles, and stop letting [a select few of] your shady, scumbag countrymen and bureaucrats cheat and abuse us, then we�ll talk.
By the way, why doesn�t your poll have an option for �Hagwon owner� ? |
While I understand you are just ranting big, I don't see anything wrong with people legitimately complaining about the wrong things happening around them wherever they are. What is wrong is just wrong. Nobody implied Korea is better than the States in racial or legal issues. I as well as every Korean I know didn't make the F-ing USA video. I as well as every Korean I know didn't say all American expats are dirty AIDS-ridden pedophiles. I as well as every Korean I know didn't let shady, scumbag countrymen and bureaucrats cheat and abuse Americans. If if I live in the states and bad things happen to me, I can complain about them and there's no reason for you to be upset about the fact that I complain. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Can judges be disbarred?
If not I'll just punch him in the dace if that's cool with all of you. What a moron. |
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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| doggyji wrote: |
While I understand you are just ranting big, I don't see anything wrong with people legitimately complaining about the wrong things happening around them wherever they are. What is wrong is just wrong. Nobody implied Korea is better than the States in racial or legal issues. I as well as every Korean I know didn't make the F-ing USA video. I as well as every Korean I know didn't say all American expats are dirty AIDS-ridden pedophiles. I as well as every Korean I know didn't let shady, scumbag countrymen and bureaucrats cheat and abuse Americans. If if I live in the states and bad things happen to me, I can complain about them and there's no reason for you to be upset about the fact that I complain. |
I�m not saying the OP or anyone else should be denied the right to complain about such issues. He has absolutely every right to free speech. And such issues SHOULD be brought to everyone�s attention.
My point (admittedly lost in hyperbole) is that Korean society, especially the media, should see to it that their own house is in order before they are critical about other societies. It�s like having a fire in your home, but worrying instead about the fire in your neighbor�s house.
America�s race record is far from perfect, but we acknowledged the problem long ago, and we are slowly taking steps to rectify the problem.
And yes, I know, I know. Korea is different. Korea is a homogeneous society with a short history of multi-cultural contact, and social change takes a long time. But in a way, I guess it�s a bit hypocritical to say, �Look at what�s happening in America!� without the willingness to put your own society under the same microscope.
Many of the difficulties the Chung family faced in DC pale in comparison to what foreigners in Korea face (when I say "foreigners," I mean foreigners from ALL countries and in ALL jobs, especially those from poorer countries). Remember: Koreans in America are generally viewed as law abiding, upstanding, and hardworking. There was an outpouring of support for the Chung family and their cause by ordinary Americans.
As for Americans in Korea�well�let�s just say I don't expect to see the average Kim or Pak start a �foreigner legal defense fund� anytime soon. 
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When did this become an issue of racism?
It's obviously some vindictive nutjob causing trouble. He should be disbarred or defrocked or unwigged or whatever it is you do to judges! |
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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here for just a moment...
Suppose the black judge felt that the Korean owners were treating him with the kind of indifference that black people often feel they get from Koreans (Please read the whole news article about that being the second time that they lost his clothing and were indifferent about it) and he decided to teach them a lesson.
1. He knew he was never going to win that kind of a lawsuit.
2. He did what he did to put them through the grinder *legal system* in order to see them suffer the way he had to suffer when they treated him indifferently and lost his clothing for the 2nd time in six months.
Maybe he understood that they would have to hire a lawyer to defend themselves in court, take time off from their business to go to court, etc. etc. Maybe if they knew he wasn't just another black man with a complaint about their service, just maybe...then he might have gotten the respect they would/should normally give their customers...
Kind of puts a whole new perspective on the meaning of customer satisfaction doesn't it?
Flame away my brothers and sisters!
PS - Black is beautiful!!
Woot! |
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Sine qua non
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Say it, and say it loud:
"I'm black, and I'm proud!" |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Grimalkin wrote: |
| It's obviously some vindictive nutjob causing trouble. He should be disbarred or defrocked or unwigged or whatever it is you do to judges! |
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kimchi story
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Who is the REAL scumbag? |
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| KOREAN_MAN wrote: |
| This wasn't surprising for me because when I first heard that the judge is black, I thought there might be some racism involved. |
WTF is THAT!? As it stands it reads as a simple syllogism. Judge is black. Blacks are racist. I need some clarification on what you mean here.
The Cafe gets my goat sometimes. Before any 'if you don't like it go home' mollycoddlers step to the plate, remember that we have an ethic of finishing what we start.
Every newbie signs a contract and they're stuck with it. They show up here unprepared.
How so? Every high school I've attended or taught in offers four languages: French, Spanish, German and Japanese.
99% of the teachers who come here become instantly illiterate.
Being illiterate is like having a brain injury - you know what you were once capable of, and you are helpless about not being capable of it now. You can study, and after a year become more than just functional. After a year.
All of the "I learned Korean in an hour" chuds can settle down - nobody believes you. How many posters do we have who can even type hangul - maybe a dozen, all told? I have met one foreigner in two years here over the last six who was fluent. One.
When you put things into this context, it is clear why people come to the Cafe to rant. Need more? Well, iteration is the process of changing gormless ideas into thought.
Take that away from a person and they have a major problem. Coming to the Cafe to rant is an act of agency. As is meeting local friends, or hitting Itaewon for a rowdy night out.
Racism in Korea is an interesting experience - a sort of a white man's burden experience (with the added bonus that it's not just white folks who get to take part, pardon the irony if you will). But add to that the stupification that comes with having your thought process mangled because you can't read what's around you or explain yourself to the locals and that there is the recipe for angry foreigners.
When I see people stepping up to give props to Doggyji for his (I am assuming it's a he) presence here I am of two minds. Are they praising him the way one would a dog who can walk? Is it not that he does it well but that he does it at all that amazes people?
I certainly don't hear posters praising his class or his wit. I see them praising him for being here at all, for his patience with the folks here. That's not very flattering.
Think about this, apologists, the next time you call 'racism' on this board. Think about this all you self-righteous dolts who cry 'if you don't like it, go home!'.
Korea can be a tough place to be a foreigner. It can also be a splendidly character building experience, when it's all said and done - whether that means leaving or diving in and becoming a lifer. I have equal respect for both.
I'm not blaming anyone for the tough (and also rewarding) situation this experience is. Quite the opposite. I'm giving a shout out to everyone who keeps doing their thing here. Including you, KOREAN_MAN, though I would like to know just what you meant by the statement I opened with.
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Excuse me for not following this thread, but WTF?
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When I see people stepping up to give props to Doggyji for his (I am assuming it's a he) presence here I am of two minds. Are they praising him the way one would a dog who can walk? Is it not that he does it well but that he does it at all that amazes people?
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I don't know Doggyji very well, but from what I've seen, his posts tend to be decent and civil. I think that makes him a lot more praiseworthy than 99.9 percent of the clowns who frequent this site. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Who is the REAL scumbag? |
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| kimchi story wrote: |
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Think about this, apologists, the next time you call 'racism' on this board. Think about this all you self-righteous dolts who cry 'if you don't like it, go home!'.
Korea can be a tough place to be a foreigner. . |
HUH? Korea is easy street. This place is SOFT.
So if you don't like it, GO HOME!    |
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kimchi story
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
Excuse me for not following this thread, but WTF?
| kimchi story wrote: |
When I see people stepping up to give props to Doggyji for his (I am assuming it's a he) presence here I am of two minds. Are they praising him the way one would a dog who can walk? Is it not that he does it well but that he does it at all that amazes people?
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I don't know Doggyji very well, but from what I've seen, his posts tend to be decent and civil. I think that makes him a lot more praiseworthy than 99.9 percent of the clowns who frequent this site. |
Okay, so you totally missed my point. Fair 'nuff.
I wasn't judging Doggyji in any way. Frankly, that all you can say is his posts are decent and civil proves my point. Thank you for that.
And Bramble, in our last discussion you accused me of not backing up my opinion after I cited two significant sources (and in return you cited only yourself), so I'm not really interested in what you have to say.
I'm just not that into combat, dig?
Fogettaboutit - I won't be replying to whatever you have to say on the matter. Let it gooooooo...
(and The_Conservative - rotfl, your irony is not lost here. Truth is, for me it's 65 days and counting...and that's after a pretty cushy contract.) |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Okay, so you totally missed my point. Fair 'nuff.
I wasn't judging Doggyji in any way. Frankly, that all you can say is his posts are decent and civil proves my point. Thank you for that.
And Bramble, in our last discussion you accused me of not backing up my opinion after I cited two significant sources ...
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You don't seem to have a point, and your sources in the other discussion didn't support anything you said then.
I also said I didn't know Doggyji, and now you're accusing me of some unspecified crime for not writing a 10-page tribute to him??? My guess is that people generally like him because he's not an asshole like certain other posters around here ... but I'm really just guessing. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I haven't read all the replies yet, but I'm getting the idea that some of you are confused about what I've said. Why would I think that the black judge is the racist here? What I was trying to say is that those Korean folks might have mistreated him because he's black. (Then the Chungs would be the racists here, not the judge.) So maybe you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the judge is a "scumbag." We don't know how he was treated by the the dry-cleaner owner.
Everyone was taking the Chungs side without hearing anything from the judge. Do you really think he thought he could get that money? Well, I for one, don't. My point is, you don't know the whole story unless you heard it from both sides. |
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