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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| I think the biggest mistake people make is not recognizing the various forms intelligence takes. My mechanic might not read the books I read or watch the movies I watch but I sure as hell can't tear an engine apart and put it back together. Anyway, I generally assume almost anyone I'm dealing with is intelligent, just maybe not in the way I am or immediately recognize. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
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If they're wrapping themselves in the Canadian flag and spouting the anti-american Canadian inferiority complex, not long.
Take Jean Chretien for example-THAT was a Prime Minister? |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| According to Pinker in his book "How the Mind Works," first impressions are are made within three seconds of meeting someone. Though he states that it isn't intelligence per se that is assessed, rather the 'status' of the person, I suppose that someone assessed to be of relatively higher status would also be assessed as being of generally higher intelligence, and vice versa. |
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Xerxes
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Those who show their intelligence quickest tend to be the critical and cynical, those lacking vision, understanding and wisdom.
The smartest people I know don't appear to be so on first impressions.
But the dumbest give themselves away in a nanosecond. |
Your generalization seems reasonable until you get into examples of critics and cynics:
I am sure that many would call Nietzsche, a critic of many forms of intelligence (among other things criticized and whatever your thinking of his thinking), and Voltaire, a ribald cynic if ever one, genius--more so than any of us fools.
Visionaries are Steve Jobs (a fool in many ways though a gifted CEO), Yoda (understanding and wisdom--though more a mystic rather than a genius).
If you were referring to yours truly, I truly am not a genius and feel secure in that fact. I just like humor and edgy commentary both couched in good writing. I am astute, though, Newt, and a coy Roy (Paul Simon). |
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merlot
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Location: I tried to contain myself but I escaped.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
| According to Pinker in his book "How the Mind Works," first impressions are are made within three seconds of meeting someone. Though he states that it isn't intelligence per se that is assessed, rather the 'status' of the person, I suppose that someone assessed to be of relatively higher status would also be assessed as being of generally higher intelligence, and vice versa. |
How does Pinker define status? |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| merlot wrote: |
| Thiuda wrote: |
| According to Pinker in his book "How the Mind Works," first impressions are are made within three seconds of meeting someone. Though he states that it isn't intelligence per se that is assessed, rather the 'status' of the person, I suppose that someone assessed to be of relatively higher status would also be assessed as being of generally higher intelligence, and vice versa. |
How does Pinker define status? |
Anyone here read Status Anxiety, by Alain de Botton?
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From Publishers Weekly
This sophisticated gazebo of a book is the latest dispatch from the Swiss-born, London-based author of the influential handbook How Proust Can Change Your Life: Not a Novel (1997). Promising to teach us how to duck the "brutal epithet of 'loser' or 'nobody,' " de Botton notes that status has often been conflated with honor and that the number of men slain while dueling has amounted, over the centuries, to the hundreds of thousands. That conflation is a trap from which de Botton suggests a number of escape routes. We could try philosophy, the "intelligent misanthropy" of Schopenhauer, for who cares what others think if they're all a pack of ninnies anyhow? Art, too, has its consolations, as Marcel found out in Remembrance of Things Past. A novelist such as Jane Austen, with her little painted squares of ivory, can reimagine the world we live in so that we see fully how virtue is actually "distributed without regard to material wealth." De Botton also discusses bohemia, the reaction to status and the attack on bourgeois values, wisely linking this movement to dadaism, whose founder, Tristan Tzara, called for the "idiotic." The phenomenon known as "keeping up with the Joneses" is nothing new, and not much has changed in the 45 years since the late Vance Packard, in The Status Seekers, wrote the definitive analysis of consumer culture and its discontents. But even at the peak of his influence, Packard was never half as suave as de Botton. (A three-part TV documentary, to be shown in the U.K. and in Australia, and hosted by de Botton, has been commissioned to promote the book.) Lively and provocative, de Botton proves once again that originality isn't necessary when one has that continental flair we call "style." |
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unknown9398
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| In my experience, the more dogmatic a person is, the less intelligence they seem to possess. I have found that moderation and curiosity are usually (but not always), an indicator of higher reasoning skills. I think it takes a couple of hours to assess a person, unless they are loud and brash, in which case it takes less time. |
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Xerxes
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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I like being "loud and brash" sometimes just to stir up the natives and to get a slow conversation going at a faster clip.
Great speakers and writers have been loud and brash too: Walt Whitman (for his time) and Henry Miller for two, though they are not generally considered genius "thinkers."
I like expansive ideas and the brash-ness it takes to spout them impromptu. If the language is clever, all the better; if not, the fool looks the part. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: How long does it take you to assess someone�s intelligen |
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| merlot wrote: |
Personally, usually within less than a minute I know I�m smarter than the person I just met.
If it takes longer, well, that person is really smart. |
Someone thinks rather highly of himself, n'es pas...?
(butt its okey, 'cuz he smaater then me) |
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